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Old 05-11-2004, 06:37 PM   #26
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He leads the Department thats:
1) Making progress training the Iraqi Civil Defense
2) Capturing or killing 55 on the most wanted list
3) Responsible for maintaining and organizing 150,000 of our soldiers during a war. I would say that's one hell of a responsiblity wouldn't you. I wouldn't want to be in charge of that task would you?

There's 3, do you want more?
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Old 05-11-2004, 06:50 PM   #27
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I asked you for three things he has done, but let's look at the points you provide:

1) Making progress training the Iraqi Civil Defense
You mean the same men where 50% of them deserted their posts and 10% defected to the other side after training? Yeah, success!

2) Capturing or killing 55 on the most wanted list
Rumsfeld did that? I didn't know the old man had it in him. You are sadly giving credit to Rummy were it ain't due. Of course, Rummy is like many who think that they can take personal credit for the work of others by using the word "we" in the so-called "spirit of team work". However, this certainly doesn't count as something he has done.

3) Responsible for maintaining and organizing 150,000 of our soldiers during a war. I would say that's one hell of a responsiblity wouldn't you. I wouldn't want to be in charge of that task would you?
That is probably the best point out of the three. The man certainly deserves kudos for doing the job he was hired into doing. Again, he has done nothing spectacular that is noteworthy. I think it was Robert S. McNamara who was secretary of state for both Kennedy and Johnson and had to juggle 500k troops for Vietnam... Rummy has a cakewalk in comparison.
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Old 05-11-2004, 07:19 PM   #28
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Well.. I am getting a copy of "Rumsfeld's War" to find out exactly what this man has done in office. It's book by a biographer (although he isn't dead) about his role. I honestly don't know what he has done, but this book is said to be objective, and I am very interested, considering recent events. I would suggest it as a good read if you have spare time.

P.S. It isn't a partisan type propoganda book, from my understanding, just a description. Hopefully acceptable to Libs and Cons.
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Old 05-11-2004, 08:07 PM   #29
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Originally Posted by Caelie
1) Making progress training the Iraqi Civil Defense
Originally Posted by Luri-Answer
You mean the same men where 50% of them deserted their posts and 10% defected to the other side after training? Yeah, success!
No Lurikeen, Try Women in the Iraqi Guard. Plus a Defense over 150-thousand Iraqis made up of 4-6% women. Women who have a vendetta against those who have killed entire families. Carrying AK-47s. Brrr huh? Hows your ex doin?
Baath-party ring a bell?

Remember that saying about scorned women? I say god bless them with the
right of justice!

Lurikeen,
Why dosen't your media tell you the truth about Iraqi's fighting along side our American troops?
Hmm? Are you watching that silly biased Canadian media again? You silly
ignorant socialist retard! Have another drink of pacifism. See recipe below.
Originally Posted by Caelie
2) Capturing or killing 55 on the most wanted list
Originally Posted by Luri-Answer
Rumsfeld did that? I didn't know the old man had it in him. You are sadly giving credit to Rummy were it ain't due. Of course, Rummy is like many who think that they can take personal credit for the work of others by using the word "we" in the so-called "spirit of team work". However, this certainly doesn't count as something he has done.
And you "Lurikeen" are blaming Rummy for what goes wrong?, and taking away
what goes right? Am I correct in this? Damn right I am! Double-Standard?,
Indeed. A Classic talking point learned to you by ignorant liberals. How's your teacher doing Luri?
Has the cancer resided?
Originally Posted by Caelie
3) Responsible for maintaining and organizing 150,000 of our
soldiers during a war. I would say that's one hell of a responsiblity wouldn't
you. I wouldn't want to be in charge of that task would you?
Originally Posted by Luri-Answer
That is probably the best point out of the three. The
man certainly deserves kudos for doing the job he was hired into doing.
Again, he has done nothing spectacular that is noteworthy. I think it was
Robert S. McNamara who was secretary of state for both Kennedy and
Johnson and had to juggle 500k troops for Vietnam... Rummy has a cakewalk
in comparison.
Oh no, Luri's playing "Stump the Conservative, again.
Robert S. McNamara?
Why are you bringing Vietnam into this LURIFUCK?, I know. Because you want to correlate
Iraq with Vietnam. Nice try asswhipe. When you stop lying, i'll stop bashing
your ass! Go Ahead and make nothing about it. I'm not fucking with you Liberals anymore.

Lurikeen?, You've either been brain washed, or you believe in the BS you actually spew.

Fortunatly, you're the minority type of thinker in America called Liberal.
And your words are only acknowledged by other blind thinkers. In CAN. Nuff said!

Isn't free thinking wonderfull? America dosen't even ban Rush Limbaugh from
our AM airways. Unlike Canada, America has freedom of speach.
Are you spending less time in seattle these days?
Liberal seattle? I doubt it since prostitution is
legal in Canada. Whats better then sex?


Asswipe canadians. "Pass another, there was a brown stain on my last wipe.




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Old 05-11-2004, 08:15 PM   #30
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Originally Posted by Zolmaz
learned to you by ignorant liberals
Delicious

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Old 05-11-2004, 08:22 PM   #31
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learned to you by ignorant liberals
Am I wrong or is the syntax in this rather exemplary of ignorance?
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Old 05-11-2004, 08:37 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by Bumbleroot
Am I wrong or is the syntax in this rather exemplary of ignorance?
Looks like your own personal ignorance. Yep, You missed it.
Blame your father for not being there. Oh sorry, I forgot Bumbleroot.
You never had one of them things called a father. You made one up.
I believe you. Honest. SUPERMAN is your father. Actually, nobodys ever heard
the name before. Superman. I've checked all the phone books too.

Your father Superman must be very special.



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Old 05-11-2004, 08:45 PM   #33
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Fortunatly, you're the minority type of thinker in America called Liberal.
*cough*popularvote*cough*

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Old 05-12-2004, 03:59 AM   #34
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You are sadly giving credit to Rummy were it ain't due.
Well, was he over in Iraq posing with naked prisoners or forcing them to blow each other? No, he was not, but he is certainly taking the heat for the actions of others. Seems if he's going to do that, he should get some credit for those working under his direction.
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Old 05-12-2004, 04:19 PM   #35
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Originally Posted by FanonFaythunder
*cough*popularvote*cough*

Damn, I need to see a doctor.
Popular vote?
Please explain what you mean.



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Old 05-12-2004, 04:28 PM   #36
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Originally Posted by Wildane
Well, was he over in Iraq posing with naked prisoners or forcing them to blow each other? No, he was not, but he is certainly taking the heat for the actions of others. Seems if he's going to do that, he should get some credit for those working under his direction.
You seem to be stating that a leader is not responsible for the actions of those under them?

I certainly give him credit for "taking the heat" but that doesn't make him a good Secretary of Defense... he certainly isn't praiseworthy for taking the heat; no more than George Tennet taking the heat for Bush. There is that pattern again of George "pass the buck" Bush.
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Old 05-12-2004, 04:58 PM   #37
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Well, was he over in Iraq posing with naked prisoners or forcing them to blow each other? No, he was not, but he is certainly taking the heat for the actions of others
Was it this thread or another that someone was claiming all the things that he did for us in Iraq?
Oh yeah it was this thread.

Imagine that, first one con says he is responsible for all that happens over there when its good and under his command. But then one con says he is not responsible for all that happens over there when it is bad. Is there no end to the waffling?
Wildane, Caelie, I will let you two argue amongst yourselves so you can sort out whether or not he is responsible for what happens over there.
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Old 05-12-2004, 05:31 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
You seem to be stating that a leader is not responsible for the actions of those under them?

I certainly give him credit for "taking the heat" but that doesn't make him a good Secretary of Defense... he certainly isn't praiseworthy for taking the heat; no more than George Tennet taking the heat for Bush. There is that pattern again of George "pass the buck" Bush.
Where was this hate for Rumsfield 3.5-years ago? I know, it's an election year.
Your excuse of defiance is nothing less then a cowardly attempt to dismiss the
war on your own liberal angle. Not to mention the crap you read on the DU board.


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