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Old 05-07-2004, 06:47 AM   #1
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Default Payrolls Surge; Unemployment Dips

Good Labor News for Bush

Labor said 83,000 jobs were added in February and 337,000 in March instead of 46,000 and 308,000 respectively it had previously reported.
"Since August 2003, payroll employment has risen by 1.1 million," said Kathleen Utgoff, Bureau of Labor Statistics (search) commissioner. "In April, job growth was widespread for the second consecutive month."
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Old 05-07-2004, 07:09 AM   #2
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Amazing what the impending Democratic takeover of the White House will do for job growth. Employers have seen the light!!
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Old 05-07-2004, 07:20 AM   #3
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Yeah, look at where those numbers are coming from... the Bureau of Labor Statistics! Come on, we know they report numbers like the New York Times reports news!

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Old 05-07-2004, 07:20 AM   #4
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Horma, that must be some good shit you're smoking there. You need to share it with the rest of us!!!!
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Old 05-07-2004, 07:55 AM   #5
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Old 05-07-2004, 07:58 AM   #6
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Is "life" some new drug?

Or do you get high off cereal?...

I get high off cereal....
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Old 05-07-2004, 08:25 AM   #7
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If you wanna get high off cereal I highly suggest grinding some Cookie Crisp down, add 3 drops Mountain Dew, cook that shit up in a spoon and mainline baby. Ahhhhhh....
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Old 05-07-2004, 08:33 AM   #8
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I find Waffle Crisp to give a much better high!!!
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Old 05-07-2004, 08:56 AM   #9
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Ok all I want to know..is that Horm and Luri do you agree or disagree that perhaps the economy has turned the corner or not...and if so how will this effect the upcoming election..or is it a moot point in your eyes now?

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Old 05-07-2004, 09:20 AM   #10
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Siafore, I think the report is a good one. I also think that we will need to see many more like them before we soundly declare that the economy has turned around.

How will these numbers affect the election? They won't. It is my experience that people don't pay attention to statistics. Most will judge if the economy is good by the prices at the grocery store and at the gas pump, and whether or not they are employed. If most people feel that their dollar is weak, they will be very unhappy about the economy regardless of what numbers are turned out by the government.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:49 PM   #11
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I think more people vote by character or charisma rather than statistics Lurikeen. Charisma is what got Clinton elected to a second term (certainly not character heh). And I think both character and Charisma is what will get Bush elected to a second.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:57 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Trith
I think more people vote by character or charisma rather than statistics Lurikeen.
Originally Posted by Lurikeen 05-07-2004 10:20 AM
How will these numbers affect the election? They won't. It is my experience that people don't pay attention to statistics.
You may feel a little dirty after realizing we agreed. Showers to the left, and toilets to the right.
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Old 05-07-2004, 01:13 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
How will these numbers affect the election? They won't.
The only numbers that effect an election (when Repubs are in power)
are bad numbers. Then the shit hits the fan through the liberal media. Right Luri?
like I have to ask.

If you don't think people are paying attention you're nuts. Numbers do make a
difference good or bad.



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Old 05-07-2004, 01:21 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Zolmaz Zo'Boto
Numbers do make a
difference good or bad.
I know I'm tempting the fates by asking this question, but why do you think the numbers will make a difference? Just ask anyone you know, who isn't really political, what the numbers are and if they will make a difference when it comes to voting.

My experience is that most people don't even pay attention to reports coming out of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, but they do know how much more money they spend on groceries than 4 years ago and are painfully aware of gas prices.

I also agree with Trith that the image of the candidate is a huge factor in most people's voting decision, but I don't think it is the foremost factor.
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Old 05-07-2004, 01:40 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
I know I'm tempting the fates by asking this question, but why
do you think the numbers will make a difference?
Do you think most Americans are close minded sheeple?

Originally Posted by Lurikeen
My experience is that most people don't even pay attention to reports
coming out of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Your right. Most people don't hover around their boring web site. Americans do
watch the media though. And they will support the candidate who is doing the best job.

Imagine Bush pulling the economy out of a slump during war time. This shows
the economic power of the USA alone. On a whole and not just Bush. A United
America during war time is what your seeing. Along with the right decisions made
by our President. Isn't America great?
Damn right we are.


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Old 05-07-2004, 01:45 PM   #16
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Zolmaz, so you agree then that the numbers coming from the Bureau of Labor Statistics will not influence the vote of most people?

Also, I don't think most people are sheep. I think a great deal of people don't care and most are misinformed.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:04 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
Zolmaz, so you agree then that the numbers coming from the
bureau of Labor Statistics will not influence the vote of most people?
Sure I can agree with that. Since this election is so important though,
I believe that there will be more informed voters then ever.
Possibly the highest turnout then any other
Presidential election.

There are people that refuse to vote for Bush no matter who is on the
Democrat ticket.
Even if it cost them their freedom. No kidding.




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Old 05-07-2004, 02:11 PM   #18
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Also, I don't think most people are sheep. I think a great deal of people don't care and most are misinformed.
I agree...and if folks were more caring and more informed, the Democratic party would never win another election...unless they changed their ways.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:22 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by Martigan
I agree...and if folks were more caring and more informed, the Democratic party would never win another election...unless they changed their ways.
Your Jedi-mind tricks won't work on me, Martigan.

I think if most people were informed, then we would scrap the two party system and establish real democracy in this country.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:33 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
I think if most people were informed, then we would scrap the
two party system and establish real democracy in this country.
(1)How so? You mean a 3-party system?, or 4?. Or do you mean a dictatorship?
I would very much like to hear your answer luri. (2)Whats a real democracy?
Were a Democratic republic.

Btw, there is nothing keeping our country bound to just a 2-party system.
Hence, Nader makes 3.



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Old 05-07-2004, 02:49 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Zolmaz Zo'Boto
Btw, there is nothing keeping our country bound to just a 2-party system.
Hence, Nader makes 3.
I am talking about a truly representative form of government. I don't think our system is truly "two party". The Democrats and Republicans have coalesced around the center and look pretty much the same. Basically, we have a single party system.

A third party in the US system hasn't a good chance at winning the presidency. There are all sorts of rules that could potentially block a third party. Just to get on the ballot in each state the third party candidate usually has to have 75,000 signatures or more. There are also rules with regard to federal campaign dollars that favor the system we have now and excludes third parties.

Such rules and restrictions push down democracy, rather than promoting it.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:56 PM   #22
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"The Real Democracy" comment was just plain silly. I said this before when we discussed the last decline of unemployment, but the fact that this year is an election year has a direct relationship on the economy and the labor market. The political business cycle has been in place since before the days of Eisenhower and it will not change. The superaggressive fiscal and monetary policies (i.e. tax cut and ridiculously low interest rates) have caused this decline in unemployment.

When an election is iminent, the fiscal policy is intensified so that the state of the economy come election time is relatively healthy. This is nothing new, it has happened before, it will happen again. The problem with this is the amount of inflation we'll experience. I fear a big problem with inflation over the coming years. Normally, expansionary fiscal policy like a tax reduction or a spending increase will cause a little bit of inflation. In addition, expansionary monetary policy like a decrease in interest rates will also cause a little bit of inflation. Think about the repercussions when all three fiscal and monetary policies are in place, we could have a serious problem. Look how the US dollar has lost value in comparison with other national currencies over the last four years. This is but a taste of the serious issues that we could face in the upcoming years. Of course, we could get lucky and not face these economic problems (it has happened before, think Clinton 1996), but more than likely we'll be seeing the value of the dollar decrease significantly.
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Old 05-07-2004, 02:58 PM   #23
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We will always be a 2 party system. It's ugly, but it's easy.

Oh, and if people were truly informed you repugs would be fucked
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Originally Posted by Valleycrest
"The Real Democracy" comment was just plain silly.
Really? Why?

BTW, I don't see what relevance that comment had to the rest of your posting. So you baited, I took it.
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
I am talking about a truly representative form of government. I don't think our system is truly "two party". The Democrats and Republicans have coalesced around the center and look pretty much the same. Basically, we have a single party system.

A third party in the US system hasn't a good chance at winning the presidency. There are all sorts of rules that could potentially block a third party. Just to get on the ballot in each state the third party candidate usually has to have 75,000 signatures or more. There are also rules with regard to federal campaign dollars that favor the system we have now and excludes third parties.

Such rules and restrictions push down democracy, rather than promoting it.
I agree, the new campaign rules suck. It prevents anybody who is not rich
from having a legitimate chance at a run for office. Especially 3rd parties
who benifit solely from single (American) individuals who want to contribute
a large chunk of change.

The change came around because Clinton was taking soft money from
foreigners and trying to hide it. Specifically China at that time.

I does "hypothetically" prevent corruption in the election. But it also
prevents 3rd and 4th parties from becoming involved in our Democratic
process. Not essentially parties, but also individuals.

And has, "as you've stated" (allthough not fully), created a limited 2-party system.

Campaign reform should be looked into with more scrutiny. The process
of electing our government should be protected and watched over with a microscope,
not a macroscope.



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