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Old 05-06-2004, 02:52 PM   #1
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Default Disney Film Censorship

Whatever you think of the guy, and I agree some of his opinions are pretty wild, I think this Disney blocking a film/documentary of this nature is abhorrent.

They cite a clause in the contract drawn up when they purchased Miramax 10 years ago; to block films against it's [Disneys] interests, mainly interpreted to mean porn.

I find it pretty laughable that Disney allows Miramax to make films as gratuitously violent as Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction, yet actively censures a political documentary, of whatever persuasion.

Of course, I'm sure Moore will now leverage this to generate increased publicity, hell maybe Disney are in on it and trying to ramp up earnings!! But surely one of the bastions of free society is that censorship should be used in only very extreme circumstances? If you disagree with the guy then allow him to put his arguments forward so they can be addressed. I wish more people would ask questions of our politicians.
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Old 05-06-2004, 03:11 PM   #2
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Only the government can censor. Is this like all of hollywood
and every filthy liberal trying to block the Passion's release?

Couldn't be a double standard. No way.



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Old 05-06-2004, 03:52 PM   #3
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A small movie called Powder came out a few years back, i believe it was also a Disney picture (Buena Vista) and just so happens right before the release it was 'discovered' that the director was some kind of a child molester. People protested its release churches and whatnot condemned pepople from seeing it. The movie flopped but not nearly as bad as it would have if not for the 'scandal' preceding its opening night.

Looks like Disney is up to their old tricks.
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Old 05-06-2004, 05:24 PM   #4
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Disney is a private company. This is not censorship..this is commercialism. Don't get the two confused. The only body that can censor is the government. If Disney chooses not to provide an outlet for Moore's assenine crapfests then that's their right to do so.

Until Disney = the US government you cannot claim any form of censorship, or civil rights violations at all. They are free to publish or not publish whoever or whatever the fuck they choose.

As far as I'm concerned..they made a class A perfect decision here. Moore is a fucked up little terd who has a narcissit complex as big as a whales anus..and he needs to have his no-talent-political-drama-queen-lying-ass knocked down a few pegs by the power of the allmighty mainstream US dollar..and that's just what Disney did.
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Old 05-06-2004, 06:16 PM   #5
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Its not as if Michael Moore pulled a fast one and snuck in an anti american film. Disney knows full well what Moore's position is and knew what kind of movie he was making. Why green light the money to make this film before going over what its about? Its just hollywood bullshit, Disney and other big studios have been doing this since the beginning of the genre. Its about hyping up a shitty film to build controversy and get more asses in the seats. This movie will be released on schedule, you can be sure on that. Just dont be surprised when the film sucks.
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Old 05-06-2004, 06:28 PM   #6
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From what I read and remember:

Miramax made the film. Miramax is a Disney subsidiary. When the project was started Disney strongly suggested they dont do it. Miramax ignored them and made it anyway. Disney viewed the completed film and said we told you not to do it and you proved us right. Disney said we will not give you money to promote and distribute the film under the Disney label. Miramax said damn...but they still have the right to find distribution and promotion finances elsewhere, they just have to then share what they make with the financier. They just dont like the idea of that and are whining trying to get pressure on Disney to release the funds.

I hope Disney stands firm in their beliefs. In the end the film probably will be released and distributed its just that Michael Moore and Miramax wont get as much as they wanted which is most of the point, right behind bashing the Bush family with innuendo and most likely out right falsehoods.
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Old 05-06-2004, 09:40 PM   #7
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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=518901
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Old 05-06-2004, 11:51 PM   #8
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Oh my god, a corporation making decisions for itself? Get em Michael Moore. They gotta learn that your right to look like a homeless person on camera supercedes their right to run their business any way they see fit.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:00 AM   #9
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Not surprised at all over this revelation, I still think Disney will end up releasing it though. Now that the film has generated some heat Disney is probably licking their chops over the grosses.
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Old 05-07-2004, 12:04 AM   #10
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European point of view

Michael Moore is a fucking great guy. He is and represent what we love in USA. Free speach, biased point of view and intelligence. This movie is in the official selection for the "festival de Cannes". And I realy hope he win. Not for the quality of the movie or the story board, but simply because he show us that not all of american people are like the one we are seeing in the press.

You can agree with Moore or disagree with him, but you need to fight for his freedom of speach. This is in your constitution I think. Show us that, like him, some of you have something to fight for.
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Old 05-07-2004, 01:55 AM   #11
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In this country....you can make a movie about taking a crap if you want.

If you can get millions to WATCH it, then your a genius.

so far.....
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:33 AM   #12
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Michael Moore is a fucking great guy
God I hope the majority of Europeans don't think like this. If that's true we need to start bombing ASAP to preserve the human gene pool....

Little hint for you...we are not a socialist/communist country...our government can't force it's companies to do what they want it to do regarding issues of business decisions. Free society, free trade, and free commerce..Moore has no right to have a single damn film of his published and I reiterate..if Disney decides they don't want to, they don't fucking have to..and it's not even remotely censorship..it's business.

I just feel sorry for anyone who actually thinks the man has any talent or has anything relevant or truthful to say..he's the most artful liar that the film industry has ever seen.

This is in your constitution I think
Exactly..our constitution says that Disney cannot be forced to grant Moore free reign to put out whatever crap he wants. You need to check up on our constitution a bit..it's not even remotely like what you are suggesting. Being able to put out a film..find backers, get money, and get published is NOT a civil right..it's a priveledge at the mercy of the corporation..and Disney is finally saying enough to Moore's celluloid shitfests..

You guys overseas could do us a huge favor though...take him off our hands..I would personally pay for his plane ticket to whatever country you live in if you will make him a citizen and agree to never let him return to America.
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You can agree with Moore or disagree with him, but you need to fight for his freedom of speach. This is in your constitution I think. Show us that, like him, some of you have something to fight for
There's a difference between fighting for freedom of speech when the government is interfering with you and when a private company is interfering with you. I believe Disney has the right to approve or disapprove what has their name attached to it.
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You guys overseas could do us a huge favor though...take him off our hands..I would personally pay for his plane ticket to whatever country you live in if you will make him a citizen and agree to never let him return to America
I agree 100% Trith. I think he would fit in well with the French or Germans.
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:52 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by chukzombi
A small movie called Powder came out a few years back, i believe it was also a Disney picture (Buena Vista) and just so happens right before the release it was 'discovered' that the director was some kind of a child molester. People protested its release churches and whatnot condemned pepople from seeing it. The movie flopped but not nearly as bad as it would have if not for the 'scandal' preceding its opening night.

Looks like Disney is up to their old tricks.

Ive always kind of liked this movie.
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Old 05-07-2004, 04:54 AM   #15
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Trith, Moore is doing more for the image of USA than anone else for the moment.

I think that in USA, you have absolutley no idea how you are perceived outside of your country. And I dont speak about Canada or Mexico

If you have some friends or relatives that went in Europe, try to see if they have talked with europeans anout how we perceive USA. I mean "we" in a generic sense. I am not anti- or pro-american. I have friends in your country and even friends that think Moore is the "artful liar that the film industry has ever seen".

This is this kind of liar who are the advertisement for USA actualy.

I have read 2 or 3 (cant remember right now) of his books. I have seen 2 of his movies. Am I sure he told the truth? No idea. But he was convincing enough to get me to look at some of his source. Surprising how those source (goverment site, newspaper) are telling exactly what he said.

Moore a liar? I dont think so. Just someone that want to criticise and do it quite vocaly. And with a bit of luck he will won the "palme d'or" at Cannes this year.
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Originally Posted by Caelie123
I think he would fit in well with the French or Germans.
See my post just before this one about the perception Europeans have abuot USA lately. And ponder what you are just saying
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I think that in USA, you have absolutley no idea how you are perceived outside of your country. And I dont speak about Canada or Mexico
and please tell me why we here in America give a crap how we are perceived outside of our country. I for one could give 2 shits how we are perceived outside of the USA. You can perceive us any way you like but the bottom line is you'll keep taking our handouts and cry to us for help at the first sign of a tragedy. You're just jealous cause the US is a Super Power and your country probably can't wipe it's butt on it's own. And I have no idea what country you're from.
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:06 AM   #18
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If nothing else...for the good of Americans traveling throught the world, we should be careful how we're perceived. In reality it is a small place. No need to go out of our way to piss folks off.

IMO, we spend entirely too much time worrying about it though. Take care of your domestic woes, before making all the handouts available to others.

Just my $.02.
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:10 AM   #19
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I looked up the movie Powder on Amazon.com. Never knew anything about the director, but I do remember seeing previews for it. I didn't see it, myself. The general explanation for the movie that they had on Amazon.com stated at the beginning about the director, and the first two user reviews were... "I'm not going to watch this movie because I don't think it's worth watching something about a boy with supernatural powers directed by a child molester. They're not getting my money!" and another guy who said "This is a really good movie!"

The year was 1995. Amazon has a deal where you can buy Powder and Phenomenon together in a package deal "Better Together"... which draws me to something else - I had just watched Phenomenon like two months ago. I was so sheltered as a child!
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:12 AM   #20
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Both were excellent concepts, and were entertaining. Not Blockbusters, per se, but definately worth watching. Which is more than I can say for most of the drivel put before the public as "entertainment".
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:14 AM   #21
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I am from Switzerland Caelie. And we manage to "wipe our butt on our own".

The problem with perception of USA is your problem. If you werent perceived as arrogant, as if you were God sent people who have to manage other people country, there wouldnt be an hartred of USA in the middle east. There wouldnt be peple in Europe that lost all their love for USA. And, finaly something that can touch you, there wouldnt be hundreds of people ready to take a plane and crashed it against buildings.

That, Caelie, is how USA is perceived, and you should give "a crap" about it. Cause you could have been in one of those plane or in the building.

But, again, it is an european perception, socialist and maybe with a grain of communism in it
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I am from Switzerland Caelie. And we manage to "wipe our butt on our own".

The problem with perception of USA is your problem. If you werent perceived as arrogant, as if you were God sent people who have to manage other people country, there wouldnt be an hartred of USA in the middle east. There wouldnt be peple in Europe that lost all their love for USA. And, finaly something that can touch you, there wouldnt be hundreds of people ready to take a plane and crashed it against buildings.

That, Caelie, is how USA is perceived, and you should give "a crap" about it. Cause you could have been in one of those plane or in the building.

But, again, it is an european perception, socialist and maybe with a grain of communism in it
You are wrong Nosfy, the people that did this hate the US they also hate every western power out there including Switzerland. They will always hate "infedels" including the Swiss. So, you can whine and complain about how we choose to deal with it, you can be afraid that it might stir more attacks in your country or in France, Germany etc but instead of worring about it, you should be doing something about it instead of hiding behind the "oh we are neutral on this please dont attack us" crap that you have always spouted.

Quick google produced this:

A decade ago, terrorists controlled by Tehran laid siege to Paris in a months-long bombing campaign that culminated in a rush-hour blast that killed seven people and wounded 60 others in front of the Tati department store. Today, the terrorists strike at virtually identical targets: Paris commuters aboard an express train to the suburbs, tourists near the Arc de Triomphe, and Sunday shoppers at open air markets. Passengers traveling on France's Paris-Lyon TGV rain line escaped death when when one bomb failed to explode. Fate intervened again when a delayed school dismissal bell saved pupils at a Jewish school from death or mutilation. A car bomb timed to coincide with the children's dismissal injured 14 passersby and waiting parents.

Callers from the "GIA-General Command," representing Algeria's most violent extremist faction, the Armed Islamic Group, claim to be planting the bombs to protest France's support for Algeria's government. More likely, the callers speak for Iran, which makes little secret of its plans to install an "Islamic government" in Algiers


There is clear evidence they want Islamic control of the world and will use whatever means necessary to achieve it. What are you going to do ? We plan on fighting it, hope we have time to save your ass too.
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Old 05-07-2004, 05:50 AM   #23
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The film will be released. I read that "Kids" and "Dogma" were Miramax films too that Disney balked on distributing and yet both were released to relative critical success.

Michael Moore may be a dirty liberal, but even us dirty liberals know how to make money. This is PR, nothing more.
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You are perfectly right Crimson, Switzerland shouldnt hide behind this neutrality. I dont like what politics do in my country. And that supposed neutrality is a gross bullshit. It made thousand s of peopel die at our frontiers during the second world war. I agree with you on this point.

I also agree that 5 years ago, all those terrorist were just people hating the world in the whole. But now, it is your turn to agree tht this people number has grown out of proportion due to USA's interference in other country affairs.

Now a bit back on the subject. Why do you all hate M. Moore with such a passion? This guy is fighting for people in USA, for people that have been wronged by their own government. For people not in the top 10% of salary that are screwed by the government. Do you realy think he is a communist who eat kids during the night? For your information, Nader would be at the right of any congress in Europe. How you handle your social trouble in USA is frightening all of us. And that is not speaking of how you handle international politics.

Moore is fighting for the socialy impaired. His fight is, in my eyes and in the eyes of most of the Europeans, right. And, still, lot of you dislike him. Why?
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Because they are conservatives Nosfy.
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