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Old 05-03-2004, 06:06 PM   #1
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Default Dems or Libs, serious question.

I think my prefence is know in the upcoming election. I am voting for Bush. I have a question for y'all. I am not trying to be smug or sneaky but, it is serious curiosity that drives me with this question. What is it that Kerry stands for that you like? As a side note, no "because I want Bush out of office" or Bush slamming allowed. This is strictly about what Kerry stands for that appeals to you. I won't debate, berate or otherwise speak negatively about anything you say, I am seriously just curious what it is that appeals to you about Kerry. My time posting here is short but, I will return in kind what Bush stands for that appeals to me if you ask.
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:13 PM   #2
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Kerry has proposed a plan for higher education. People give two years of National service and when they complete that they get 4 years paid public college tuition. A very nice idea indeed.
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:35 PM   #3
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He stands for the common man.
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Old 05-03-2004, 06:51 PM   #4
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Very generic, what specificly would you say it is about Kerry that draws you to him.
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:00 PM   #5
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Does the common man own 10 luxury SUVs?
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:05 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Vireil
Kerry has proposed a plan for higher education. People give two years of National service and when they complete that they get 4 years paid public college tuition. A very nice idea indeed.
And? And?



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Old 05-03-2004, 07:26 PM   #7
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Kerry has proposed a plan for higher education. People give two years of National service and when they complete that they get 4 years paid public college tuition. A very nice idea indeed.

GI Bill is in existence now and the people using it are complaining that they got pulled into a war when they were only using the military to get their education. Kerry's plan is something that is in existance already. I bet that will be really easy to implement.
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Old 05-03-2004, 07:45 PM   #8
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There are a bunch of specifics on there.

As far as standing for the common man, SUVs have nothing to do with it. You wrongly assume that wealth means you can not care about people who are not wealthy. There are some wealthy people who serve their own interests and some that serve the interests of people less fortunate. And to prove my point I have one name for you- FDR.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:06 PM   #9
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I like to think for myself so I'm not going to claim any party affiliation.

With that said, I'd still vote for Kerry if he walked up and took a greasy shit right on my front porch with a TV crew filming it.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:14 PM   #10
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SUVs have nothing to do with it. You wrongly assume that wealth means you can not care about people who are not wealthy.
Two words Bumbleroot. Haliburton Oil... Fun Fun..

Pink Floyd, Money.

Chicks love it., Kerry has it., Clinton favors it..
Any questions?




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Old 05-03-2004, 08:20 PM   #11
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Now lets say he took that same greasy shit and wiped pictures of your dead friends and family members in it. Maybe scooped up a pile of that lovely substance and flung it in the face of the mothers of those same dead friends. You would still vote for him?

Its one thing to stand for something, its another to stand on top of the necks of the men who stood by your side and risked their lives to do it. I would sooner vote for Hillary Clinton than this ambitous social climbing career politician.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:24 PM   #12
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You excluded from discussion the REAL reasons. It is a question of two evils.
I dont much like either of them. But that doesnt matter. One of them will be elected. A choice MUST be made. Bush has personally harmed my family.
I wont vote for him under ANY circumstance.
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Old 05-04-2004, 01:39 AM   #13
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He is the lesser of 2 evils IMO. Nothing in either one of the runners appeals to me, and since I'm not allowed to slam or bash either one, he seems to be the lesser of 2 evils.
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Old 05-04-2004, 03:05 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Vireil
Kerry has proposed a plan for higher education. People give two years of National service and when they complete that they get 4 years paid public college tuition. A very nice idea indeed.
It's a great idea. In fact, national service by itself, is a great idea.
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Old 05-04-2004, 03:29 AM   #15
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National service will only continue to spiral our country farther into debt. The government is already top heavy and with the implementation of the Department of homeland security we are going broke faster than shit. Bush is a much better candidate based on the ability to take a stand on issues and make a decision. Kerry has outlined plans to do this and that and the other thing without actually telling us how he is going to acomplish it.

Kerry has no political balls, he will waffle and wane until he gets it right in the polls we do not need a president that operates on polls we need a president that makes decisions wether they be 100% publicly supported or not, remember we do not get all the information, and making a decision after the fact is mondy morning quarterbacking and if you do that you will be correct 100% of the time.

A vote for john kerry is a vote to turn this country more socialist without getting any of the benefits of socialism if you have any drive or desire to do better, the democrats have become the robin hood party punishing the rich (or those that have drive and desire) and giving it to the poor (those that whine, cry and bitch and want everything handed to them).
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:34 AM   #16
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He stands for the common man.
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:50 AM   #17
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In history England had a King named John.

This King liked to hold relatives for ransom (cash)
He would think nothing of seizing property of other people.
He would debase the currency whenever he wished.
He would draft or impress men to fight for him against their will.

He arrainged the tax laws so that his enemies got taxed heavily,
and his freinds lightly.

He managed to do the one thing NO OTHER person could do.
Unite the feudal lords against him.

I am sure you cons wont see any similarity, but I do =)
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:00 AM   #18
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National service will only continue to spiral our country farther into debt.
Give me a break. National service will cost money, but hardly make a dent in our deficit like some of the other initiatives already out there. The good thing is that strong national service actually replaces some government programs that are going on.
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Old 05-04-2004, 06:04 AM   #19
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If Kerry stands for the common man, then what does Bush stand for?

By the way, I like how the initial question was stated with the added "Leave out the 'To get Bush out of office.' part". I wish that was included in some of the previous question threads such as "What are your reasons for voting?" type of threads.
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Old 05-04-2004, 07:03 AM   #20
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I will vote my concious which means neither Bush nor Kerry. I will most likely vote libertarian. The dems will thank me for denying Bush a vote and the repubs will berate me for throwing my vote away.
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Old 05-04-2004, 07:08 AM   #21
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This thread is bogus by definition. Kerry is a servicable replacement for a wholly intolerable incumbent. I have other reasons than that, certainly, but the primary motivation for going to the polls this year is to get Bush out. I'm tired of pandering to the cute "Kerry's a waffler and Bush isn't omgz~!!" bullshit- it has been shown to be blatant hypocrisy more than once on these boards- his issue stances are well publicized. Some of you are letting the Propaganda Pimps palpatate your colon far too often.

Did I break any rules?

I also happen to like where he stands on jobs (though I'm wary of his past stances on offshoring and "free trade"), taxes (for the most part- I disagree with him on the estate tax), health care, and the vast majority of social issues (I wish he'd back marriage rights for gay people but even if he thought as I do on that issue the reality of current politics would prohibit his being an outspoken advocate: sadly, backing gay rights too strongly would be a kiss of death given the obscene bigotry so many in this country share).
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Old 05-04-2004, 07:43 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Lith Ahntalon
What is it that Kerry stands for that you like? As a side note, no "because I want Bush out of office" or Bush slamming allowed. This is strictly about what Kerry stands for that appeals to you.
I like Kerry's overall focus on domestic policy. In particular,
  • Universal Health Care
  • Education
  • Jobs creation
  • Incentives to keep corporations from outsourcing
  • Rebuilding our industrial plant

Kerry is also providing solutions for removing the deficit, just talking about decreasing government spending appeals to me and Kerry is talking about it openly.

There you go.
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Old 05-04-2004, 08:00 AM   #23
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Trech, I would like to vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, but when I see him openly talking about opening the borders I cringe. The Constitutional Party candidate looks good but I am going to have to do more research.
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Old 05-04-2004, 08:35 AM   #24
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Being as how I don't particularly like either one, I also see this as the lesser of two evils.. however-

On the military service issue:
Bush has no military record to speak of, since he was spending "military time" working on a campaign.
-Kerry did service, went to Vietnam and then came back and demonstrated against the war, for which he had done his service, and had every right to do. Just because he did his service doesn't mean he has to like or agree with it, and he should express himself in the country he fought for, without being blasted by cons, who support someone that hid behind family favors.

Kerry DID propose specific actions in Iraq that I liked:

-He proposed an international effort, which would share in the responsibility in rebuilding Iraq, because many share an interest in its outcome.

- Bush would continue to try to "go it alone" sending more of our troops and finaancing the entire thing, just to prove how big his wiener is, even though it will cost us greatly, and alienate our allies... and compromise any perception of legitimacy that might be left. He would have something more of an "occupation" of Iraq.

- Kerry expressed a desire to restore American leadership, leading through initiative and shared interest

-Bush tries to lead by intimidation and fear (not unlike those we are supposed to be against), and purports the rampant spread of Christian imperialistic attitudes. (I am a Christian, but I can respect those who aren't... I can't wait until Bush wants to "convert" Iraqi's .... although cons prolly think that all right)

Basically Kerry just seemed to have a better plan that didn't sink the US further into a mire of losses. Also, Both Kerry and Bush have SUVs, I don't know what people's fixations with cars are in a political race, I don';t think you can get any more distracted from real issues than that. I mean if you are concerned with the environment, perhaps you should consider immigration policies. That has been a hot topic related to the environment.
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Trech, I would like to vote for the Libertarian Party candidate, but when I see him openly talking about opening the borders I cringe. The Constitutional Party candidate looks good but I am going to have to do more research.
Something about all the candidates makes me cringe. I basically have to look at what makes me cringe least. Thing about opening the borders is crazy yeah but could he honestly ever get it to pass? Nevermind... he wont even get elected what am I talking about.
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