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Old 05-03-2004, 08:23 AM   #1
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Default Oregon, what the fuck?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/West/05/0....ap/index.html

Ri-freaking-diculous.
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:37 AM   #2
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In oregon...

"For assaulting someone with a knife..."

...you get to sit on a bed, while the state pays for you, and you watch TV!

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Old 05-03-2004, 08:41 AM   #3
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I don't see much a problem with it personally
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:55 AM   #4
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I don't see a problem either. Part of me thinks bread water and bars is all they should see... however if he is computer drafting for a few $ a day and has to save up, as well as be behaved... it could be a positive thing that will prepare him for release and make it feel less like a different world.
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Old 05-03-2004, 09:08 AM   #5
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It's a great idea. Let's see, a person can murder/rape another person. Get a job working on computers. Earn enough to buy a flat screen tv. Get married and have conjugal visits. All the while the victims get nothing.

Man we have a harsh justice system!!!
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Old 05-03-2004, 09:12 AM   #6
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Krahmer bought the $300 television with money he earned working in prison, where he is paid a few dollars a day for computer drafting. Inmates also must have clean discipline records to qualify for the flat-screens.
He's doing a lot more than some people are willing to do for their money.
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Old 05-03-2004, 12:41 PM   #7
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Its kinda hard atoning for your crimes when you're watching I Love Lucy.

Chuck the TV beat him with a rubber hose.
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Old 05-03-2004, 12:47 PM   #8
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If any one has ever seen the effects TV has on kids (and some adults) then i say stick 1 in every room. Prisons dont seek to rehabilitate anyways, so might as well turn em into zombies.
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:12 PM   #9
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If the goal is rehabilitation then rewards for good behavior and hard work should be available.
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:14 PM   #10
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I thought the reward for good behavior was parole?
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:21 PM   #11
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With so many states going to presumptive sentencing, parole is not really that much of an option. In most cases they are required to serve 80% of their sentence before they can even be considered for any type of early release.
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:43 PM   #12
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How about the reward of not having to work the chain gang? Of not having to turn big rocks into little rocks? Or how about if you are good you get to watch tv, not cable tv, just regular tv?
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Old 05-03-2004, 03:56 PM   #13
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Old 05-03-2004, 08:30 PM   #14
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In oregon...

"For assaulting someone with a knife..."

...you get to sit on a bed, while the state pays for you, and you watch TV!

Where's bumble at?
For some reason you believe that I and other liberals believe in lax treatment of prisoners. I'd like to know what you base that upon. It is clear and has been clear on these boards that I believe in solitary confinement with just bearable condition for prisoners. The purpose of prison is to rehabilitate the prisoners or confine them to keep them out of society. If we make life better for them than on the streets, how can they even begin to become better citizens when they get out.
Its also clear that I don't believe in the death penalty because it is too easy of an out for prisoners. (not the only reason) I say 6x6 cell with minimal light, bread and water, and perhaps some newspaper clippings of the people that they murdered. Make them live the rest of their days lamenting what they had done.
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Old 05-04-2004, 01:26 AM   #15
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Dude worked hard for his money......right.
If it will keep his nose clean and he earned the money why not?
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Old 05-04-2004, 03:50 AM   #16
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Ok, guy paid for the TV with money he earned, what's the big fucking deal? I, personally, don't think prisons should get cable TV, but as long as that set isn't coming out of my pocket, I don't care.
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:42 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Wildane
Ok, guy paid for the TV with money he earned, what's the big fucking deal?
The big fucking deal is he's in prison for assault with a deadly weapon. His money or not, flat screen TVs are not a luxury I think a person should be afforded while serving time for that sort of crime. If he earns enough to buy a Lazy-Boy and a full-time personal masseuse should he be allowed?
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:01 AM   #18
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Careful Horm, that almost sounds conservative. Hell, you don't need money to get yourself a personal masseuse in prison, just a steady supply of cigarettes and a bit of "curiosity". And it's not like having a 7" TV in his cell puts him in the lap of luxury. He still has to work, still has to deal with his loss of freedom, still has to get used to the fact that a tossed salad doesn't mean what it does on the outside world, etc. But then, you're probably right. He should be spending his time tossing the soap at the feet of the newest "rookie" in the shower, or collaborating with other prisoners on what went wrong with his perfect crime and how he can improve things the next time around, and other such constructive pursuits.
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Old 05-04-2004, 05:44 AM   #19
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I agree he needs alternatives to stretching sphincters of other prisoners, however, I fail to see how watching cable tv in the privacy of his cell is appropriate for prison life. How about educational activities, how about community service activities, how about more labor activities.

The message this sends is that sure you can stab a guy, but if you keep your head down, play nice with the guards, and earn a few bucks, you can do your sentence watching the Cartoon Network in bed. Some of you on the board, especially those on the right, are quite fond of slippery-slope arguments. This particular topic is ripe for such lines of thought.
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Old 05-04-2004, 07:20 AM   #20
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How about the money he makes be sent to the victim instead of buying a tv? Hell, he shouldn't be making any money at all. And the money is coming out of the citizens or Oregons pocket.
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Old 05-04-2004, 08:51 AM   #21
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/shrug And the money I make is coming out of the citizens of Mississipi's pockets (no, I'm not in prison, I am paid by the state). He renders services that benefit those outside the system (how much computer drafting can a prison need, anyway?) for pittance.

Hey, if y'all want to keep the prison system as archaic as possible, be my guest. I do not plan on ever being a resident of the local facility, so it doesn't really matter to me if inmates have televisions in their cells or not. Although, if you really think they're allowed to just spend their time in their cells all day relaxing, you've got another think coming. They are alreaedy allowed TV privileges, what's it matter where they watch it?
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Old 05-04-2004, 09:00 AM   #22
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Hey, if y'all want to keep the prison system as archaic as possible, be my guest.
The US prison system used to be archaic, but prison uprisings became much more costly than pacification. A pacified prisoner doesn't usually kill guards.

It isn't just prisoners serving time that we need to think about. We have to think about the public employees who risk their lives to babysit our criminals. We have an obligation to provide these employees with the cleanest and safest environment to work possible.
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Old 05-04-2004, 09:03 AM   #23
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The differance there is you are a productive citizen of your state. Not some scum bag who attacks people with a knife.

The needs of the victim are more important than the needs of the criminal. Every cent he 'earns' should go towards the victim or towards some type of victims fund. Not on tv's for his jail cell.
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Old 05-04-2004, 10:15 AM   #24
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Flub, can you please say something I disagree with soon? Being on the same side makes me feel really dirty
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Old 05-04-2004, 02:26 PM   #25
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I wonder if the victim he brutalized enjoys knowing her attacker can sit around all day and watch shows on a flat screen TV? Thats a pretty good racket, commit a crime get free room/board do a little work and all that money is yours free and clear to buy whatever luxury you want. No wonder our prison system is overcrowded.

That money should all go to into the cost to keep his ass incarcerated. whats left over should then go to the victim.
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