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Old 04-28-2004, 05:55 PM   #1
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Default President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief


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1. Department of Homeland Security

BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything." [White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, 3/19/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people." [President Bush, Address to the Nation, 6/6/02]

2. Weapons of Mass Destruction

BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories…for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." [President Bush, Interview in Poland, 5/29/03]

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons. And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out." [President Bush, Meet the Press, 2/7/04]

3. Free Trade

BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue." [President Bush in Peru, 3/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection." [Washington Post, 9/19/03]

4. Osama Bin Laden

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care. It's not that important." [President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

5. The Environment

BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... "[If elected], Governor Bush will work to…establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide." [Bush Environmental Plan, 9/29/00]

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act." [President Bush, Letter to Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), 3/13/03]

6. WMD Commission

BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency." [NY Times, 1/29/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction." [President Bush, 2/6/04]

7. Creation of the 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

8. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission

BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks." [Washington Post, 1/19/04]

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work." [CNN, 2/4/04]

9. Nation Building

BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road." [Gov. George W. Bush, 10/3/00]

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people." [President Bush, 3/6/03]

10. Saddam/al Qaeda Link

BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

11. U.N. Resolution

BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam." [President Bush 3/6/03]

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written." [Washington Post, 3/18/03]


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Old 04-28-2004, 06:16 PM   #2
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I didnt even bother to read it. Just had to say its good to see you again Lurikeen.
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Old 04-28-2004, 07:20 PM   #3
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What We're About

The Center for American Progress is a nonpartisan research and educational institute dedicated to promoting a strong, just and free America that ensures opportunity for all Americans. We believe that Americans are bound together by a common commitment to these values and we aspire to ensure that our national policies reflect these values. Our policy and communications efforts are organized around four major objectives:
• developing a long term vision of a progressive America,
• providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals,
• responding effectively and rapidly to conservative proposals and rhetoric with a thoughtful critique and clear alternatives, and
• communicating progressive messages to the American public.

We work to find progressive and pragmatic solutions to significant domestic and international problems and develop policy proposals that foster a government that is “of all the people, by all the people, and for all the people.” We believe in honoring work, building strong communities, fostering effective government and encouraging free and fair markets.

Every day we challenge conservative thinking that undermines the bedrock American values of liberty, community and shared responsibility.

The Center for American Progress advances policies that help create sustained economic growth and new opportunities for all Americans. We support fiscal discipline, shared prosperity, and investments in people through education, health care and workforce training.

The Center for American Progress promotes the cause of liberty. We press for a government that protects our civil rights, safeguards our neighborhoods and lands, and provides equal justice under the law.
In a world of unprecedented threats, the Center for American Progress encourages policies that protect the American people and further our national interests. We promote the need for a strong, smart military and believe that America must safeguard its homeland, fight terrorism and take on threats that know no borders. And we believe that America’s interests are advanced when we strengthen alliances and work with multilateral institutions that support the rule of law.

As progressives we stand for policies that unleash the potential of all our people. We are dedicated to promoting concrete ideas that can help create an America that is powerful, just, safe and free.
A Socialist web site. Oh, good find Luri. They can't even admit it.
I like how they spin everything. Makes socialists all over feel
warm and fuzzy.



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Old 04-28-2004, 07:52 PM   #4
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Socialist website? Have you been so brainwashed by the Furher that you can't see the "biggest lie" for what it is?
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Old 04-28-2004, 08:13 PM   #5
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Progressive, It's just another term for socialism. How do you define it luri?
Go ahead and spin it. These days socialists and liberals can only admit
what they truly are on a forum. Embarrasing isn't it.



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Old 04-28-2004, 08:30 PM   #6
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So, basically, what you are saying, Zolmaz, is that all liberals are also socialists, right? In other words, you don't understand the differences involved.
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Old 04-28-2004, 08:56 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by ShardmoonVer.1
I didnt even bother to read it. Just had to say its good to see you again Lurikeen.
Thank you and I want to thank all the others who have welcomed me back.
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Old 04-28-2004, 08:56 PM   #8
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Todays liberals are leaning so far to the left that socialism has been
incorporated into their thinking. And another thing, what makes you think
you can just grab crap from the internet and not state any opinion?

Anybody can do that. Are we supposed to come running to Bush's defense
to every lying spinning web site in the world? Nice try though.


In the case of http://www.americanprogress.org/ The site is owned by
a democrat that does not admit he is a demorcat, yet calls himself
a progressive instead. That shows he is a liberal.

Domain ID94399475-LROR
Domain Name:AMERICANPROGRESS.ORG
Created On:01-Feb-2003 16:44:23 UTC
Last Updated On:01-Feb-2004 14:26:51 UTC
Expiration Date:01-Feb-2005 16:44:23 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R91-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:GODA-02368980
Registrant Name:Andy Brack
Registrant Organization:The Brack Group
Registrant Street1:101 Alexander Street
Registrant City:Charleston
Registrant State/Province:South Carolina
Registrant Postal Code:29403
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8436703996
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Andy Brack, communications strategist for the Brack Group (http://www.brack.net), is founding editor of Politics Online's Netpulse (http://netpulse.politicsonline.com), the biweekly e-journal of politicking on the Internet. He integrated the Internet into his 2000 congressional bid.

I could find more but it's not really the point.

Here is a site for you. http://www.nojohnkerry.org/kerryhtml/flipflops.htm
Fun stuff huh? See how stupid grabing crap off the internet is?
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Zolmaz, might you enterain us all with definitions for "socialist" versus "liberal"? I agree, we can all grab stuff off of the internet, hell, I can grab porn sites that you failed to get (why I don't know?!) but you seem to be missing the crux of what is being stated.

Is the article I present true or false? If you think it is false then answer the problems point by point.
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Linking sensational headlines is fun

POPE WANTS MEL GIBSON AS SUCCESOR

CNN!!

Pope John Paul II is reportedly poised to announce his handpicked successor: Hollywood hunk Mel Gibson!

The devoutly religious The Passion of the Christ director has the charisma, commitment and strength of character needed to steer the Catholic Church through its current crisis and "lead it into the 21st century," the ailing 83- year-old pontiff is said to have told a small group of cardinals on March 21.

"His Holiness is not impressed with the caliber of those who would normally be in line to succeed him," reveals a highranking Vatican insider.

"He considers them weak and is angered at how they've let scandal destroy the good name of the church.

"In his view, Mel -- a robustly heterosexual father of six and a quintessential man's man -- is exactly what's needed to restore the image of the priesthood
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Yeah, well, ok, Chik... err Chuk. If you had linked something even relevant to the topic at hand it may have even been humerous, but then again the retarded do things unexpected! I guess you can be excused.
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
Is the article I present true or false? If you think it is false
then answer the problems point by point.
Point by point. That is exactly what your link isn't worth. It takes you
10 seconds to post it and thats it. Poof your gone.

I won't waste my time in a pissing contest over sites you think need
to be debunked by us evil conservatives. There is no point.
If this crap were to be true and important, wouldn't you
think it would be splattered all over the main stream media?
It's spin doctoring plain and simple. Even you know that.

When you can post sensible dialog then we can debate issues.
Article grabbing isn't going to cut it.


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Lol intel jokes from the person so pathetically weak willed they cant stop posting here?
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Just because I think it fits here:

Pointless Waste of Time: Daily News Skim
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Originally Posted by Zolmaz Zo'Boto
Point by point. That is exactly what your link isn't worth. It takes you
10 seconds to post it and thats it. Poof your gone.

I won't waste my time in a pissing contest over sites you think need
to be debunked by us evil conservatives. There is no point.
Actually, there are points. Namely, eleven of them, which I list above. However, you can't respond to the sources provided or the "flip-flopping" done by your man. So very sorry. That's life I guess.
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Originally Posted by chukzombi
Lol intel jokes from the person so pathetically weak willed they cant stop posting here?
Coming from a loser who spends at least 7+ hours per day playing an MMORPG I don't think that is at all insulting. Could you realistically think your remark is an insult coming from someone like you, Chuk?
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Quote Lurikeen "I am done with it!

I have found that there are other places, like USENET, that offer more intelligent dialogue than what some here can even pretend to offer!

I bid you all farewell. I will not be back. Night night"

What happened???? What went wrong? Did USENET close?

I knew you would be back and I could hardly wait to post that
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Originally Posted by AresProphet
Just because I think it fits here:

Pointless Waste of Time: Daily News Skim
While we are here, what do you think is not a waste of time?
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Originally Posted by Alauradana
Quote Lurikeen "I am done with it!

I have found that there are other places, like USENET, that offer more intelligent dialogue than what some here can even pretend to offer!

I bid you all farewell. I will not be back. Night night"

What happened???? What went wrong? Did USENET close?

I knew you would be back and I could hardly wait to post that
I knew you, of all jack-boot fitted right wingers, couldn't restrain yourself. I haven't stopped my dialogues in other places. I go were I choose.
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"I will not be back"--and here you are, enough said.
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Coming from a loser who spends at least 7+ hours per day playing an MMORPG I don't think that is at all insulting. Could you realistically think your remark is an insult coming from someone like you, Chuk?
I havent played 7+ hours a day in EQ in a long time, i have never stated i quit then weasled back becuase im a jellyfish like you. If i choose to quit then i quit and thats that there wont be any weakness on my part. You calling me a loser for playing EQ on an EQ message board is not pathetic how? Go back to Losenet where you belong. You're the scatloving rimjobber who couldnt stay away when he said he would.
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Originally Posted by Alauradana
"I will not be back"--and here you are, enough said.
Well, when you wake up to the real world little darling, then come back and post with some wisdom.

Like I stated in another thread. I must have quit EQ a gazillion times over. Is it a weakness to keep coming back? Perhaps. Is it wrong? I don't think so.

So, I suppose you can harp on my leaving, or simply get used to the fact I am back. It is up to you little sweetie. =)
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hmmm...one of these posts, do I need to pull out the dictionary on "enough said"?? Work on your willpower, you have only been gone a month. I know, I know, couldn't go that long without your "little sweetie"???
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Originally Posted by chukzombi
I havent played 7+ hours a day in EQ in a long time, i have never stated i quit then weasled back becuase im a jellyfish like you. If i choose to quit then i quit and thats that there wont be any weakness on my part. You calling me a loser for playing EQ on an EQ message board is not pathetic how? Go back to Losenet where you belong. You're the scatloving rimjobber who couldnt stay away when he said he would.
Chuk, you are a loser. I know your game time. I know RL people in your guild. So don't even pretend!

You can't quit. You have played for how many years? It is like a second job, isn't it. One of your guildies, who I used to work with (am still friends with), often spoke of the time you guys put in. I have no reason to doubt it.

So, you can pretend that somehow the time I may spend writing political musing on a game board is inferior and I will just shrug it off knowing that at least spending time thinking about politics is far more important than spending the time you put into GoD raids or more.

I tell you what, you put up your Magelo here and I will email it to your US Senator and ask what it will get us all politically. Or, I can send off a well written opinion about the state of the union and see if that goes further. What say you?
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Originally Posted by Alauradana
hmmm...one of these posts, do I need to pull out the dictionary on "enough said"?? Work on your willpower, you have only been gone a month. I know, I know, couldn't go that long without your "little sweetie"???
I am glad to know you are happy I am back. Thanks.
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