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Old 04-26-2004, 08:26 PM   #1
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Default Another Kerry gaff

Kerry's SUV habit fuels a `trust' gap
By Boston Herald editorial staff
Saturday, April 24, 2004

Now we've truly heard it all. Rising gas prices are the latest John Kerry [related, bio] campaign theme, so naturally the senator was asked this week about his personal vehicle usage.

Kerry insisted, ``I don't own an SUV.''

When pressed about a Chevrolet Suburban, the mother of all SUVs, kept at the Heinz Kerry abode in Idaho, Kerry said: ``The family has it. I don't have it.''

Kerry has now closed the distance between nuance and flat-out deception.

And that's without mentioning the other gas-guzzlers this candidate and his family enjoy, all the while posturing about reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil and fuel efficiency.

At last count, there were eight ``family'' cars and SUVs, including the 1995 Suburban (15 mpg highway, 12 mpg city), a 1993 Land Rover Defender (12 mpg highway, 10 mpg city), a 1989 Jeep Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 16 mpg city), a 1994 Jeep Grand Cherokee (20 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001 Audi Allroad (21 mpg highway, 15 mpg city), a 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser (25 mpg highway, 20 mpg city), a 1985 Dodge 600 Convertible (26 mpg highway, 23 mpg city), and a 2002 Chrysler 300M (26 mpg highway, 18 mpg city). Kerry, however, only owns up to the latter two.

Then there's the 2002 Harley Davidson (his), two powerboats (one his, one hers), a power inflatable 2001 Novurania (his), and a Gulfstream II private jet (hers).

President Kerry would have to open his own pipeline in Saudi Arabia just to meet family fuel demand.

Yet there he was yammering on to reporters Thursday about making a hybrid (powered by gas and electricity) his ``campaign car.''

It's probably not politically correct to refer to the senator as the head of the Heinz Kerry family.

But last we checked, he is a part of it, no?Kerry's prevarication is trivial in the context of terrorism, the war in Iraq, the economy and all the serious issues this country - and its next president - will confront.

But if voters can't trust John Kerry to play it straight on the little things, how can they trust him on the big things?


http://news.bostonherald.com/opinion...?articleid=537

Know its from this past weekend but figured it should be brought up to point out his truthfulness, or lack thereof. Guess he figured he could follow Clinton down that slippery slope.
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Old 04-26-2004, 08:33 PM   #2
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Old 04-26-2004, 09:06 PM   #3
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Oh please, opening his own pipeline? If he drove all of those at the same time, every day of the week.

Why should the cars his family owns and operates matter? It's not vital, need to know information.

He told the media he owned a Dodge and a Chrysler, not my personal favorites, but not SUVs either. That's lying?

His wife owns an SUV and a jet.
I dont know his kids, but I bet they are drivers, and coming from a rich family, they probably have their own cars.
So they have boats, a boat isnt an SUV, its a recreational watercraft. Hell, maybe they go deep sea fishing =o
His wife is the heiress of HEINZ 57, she was probably given the jet in her father's will, or it went to the company, and is coincidentally used by her, seeing as how she owns it.

He didn't lie.

I'm still gonna vote for him.
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Old 04-27-2004, 05:10 AM   #4
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At least he owns American cars.
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Old 04-27-2004, 06:43 AM   #5
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Now if he drove a Hummer, I might vote for him!!!!!! At least he would show he has a little back bone then!!!!
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Old 04-27-2004, 06:48 AM   #6
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Now if he drove a Hummer, I might vote for him!!!!!! At least he would show he has a little back bone then!!!!
More like it would show he has a little penis
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Old 04-27-2004, 06:56 AM   #7
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At least he owns American cars.
There is no such thing. Show me a car made with 100% American parts and I'll show you an antique.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:03 AM   #8
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An avowed environmentalist, Kerry has called for tougher fuel efficiency standards coupled with aid to the auto industry, and proposed a new environmental fund to pay for research on expanding the use of alternative fuels.

http://news.bostonherald.com/electio...?articleid=294

Ok so how do you mesh this with the fact that his family owns 8 cars including an SUV and he personally owns 2 cars and a motorcyle plus a large powerboat? He continues to bash Bush on environment and gas prices yet does little to lead by example. The man is a fraud. Just want to make sure people understand this before they vote for the guy.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:08 AM   #9
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Those cars are not Kerry's

Thanks to another thread you guys brought up attacking Kerry's ideals, we know that he does not claim his family as dependents, so I would say their financial business is theirs and theirs alone. That includes what vehicles they choose to buy, drive, and maintain.

Show me a receipt that says one of those cars was a gift, and then we can talk.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:09 AM   #10
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I think Karl Rove is slipping. If this is all he can do then you tards on the right are fucked in November. You're really grasping here.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:10 AM   #11
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The point of the SUV debate has nothing to do with the type of car. It is about Gas usage in perceived polluting and gas-shortage times. That being said, I can't think of anyone contributing more to polluting and gas-shortages than George W. Bush the oilman and Dick Cheney the oilwell man and Condoleeza Rice the Oil woman and... and....
Get a clue. This election is about Bush not about Kerry. Kerry only needs to be a competent body to be elected and the Bush people are doing everything they can to make it a case where he isn't competent. This is lame. I could give a shit what car anyone drives. What I care about is their record and what they actually do. The Nuance question comes to the massive amount of nuances in each of the bills on the floor of the Senate. It is there that the Bush camp is trying to exploit Kerry's record. The trouble is that they seem to be doing it at the expense now of Cheney.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:17 AM   #12
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Bumble "Kerry only needs to be a competent body to be elected'

Well said Bumble. Too bad he isn't even a competent body, he is more like a 'shill' or 'shell', take your pick!!!!
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:22 AM   #13
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Well said Bumble. Too bad he isn't even a competent body, he is more like a 'shill' or 'shell', take your pick!!!!
That's funny IM, you guys would pretty much render anyone incompetent if they were against your man. If I recall correctly the only Republicans known to speak their minds, not solely tow the party lines- Chuck Hagel and John McCain both said that John Kerry is highly competent. They both said he is strong on defense. That is funny because those two Senators are Vietnam vets as well. It is only those Republicans who are clinging to the party lines that are claiming Kerry as incompetent.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:44 AM   #14
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Kerry is really beginnging to piss me off.

Can he at least be honest about one fucking thing. He is ruining his credibility over stupid shit. Not that Ill vote for the guy...but please...show some self respect.
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Old 04-27-2004, 07:51 AM   #15
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You're not pissed off Felessan- you're just dizzy from the spin.
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Can he at least be honest about one fucking thing. He is ruining his credibility over stupid shit. Not that Ill vote for the guy...but please...show some self respect.
The true measure of a man is what he does when faced with key decisions and then what he learns from adversity.
When faced with the most important decisions in their life lets take a look between Kerry and Bush-
Kerry chose to go to Vietnam. Bush chose to not go to Vietnam.
When faced with the adversity of Vietnam-
Kerry spoke out against it. Bush ran political campaigns for his friends.
In fact, Bush has been sheltered from adversity entirely. He knows not the results of failures even though he had them because he has been allowed to ignore them and move around on them. He fails to admit any mistakes in Iraq. He is the only president I know that has never admitted to making a mistake. That is poor character.
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You're not pissed off Felessan- you're just dizzy from the spin.

LMAO...that was a good one. Have to remember that.
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
The true measure of a man is what he does when faced with key decisions and then what he learns from adversity.
When faced with the most important decisions in their life lets take a look between Kerry and Bush-
Kerry chose to go to Vietnam. Bush chose to not go to Vietnam.
When faced with the adversity of Vietnam-
Kerry spoke out against it. Bush ran political campaigns for his friends.
In fact, Bush has been sheltered from adversity entirely. He knows not the results of failures even though he had them because he has been allowed to ignore them and move around on them. He fails to admit any mistakes in Iraq. He is the only president I know that has never admitted to making a mistake. That is poor character.

You make some good points indeed. Kerry is just making it so hard for people to think him honest. Usually its not till they take office that there are credibility issues.
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Old 04-27-2004, 08:53 AM   #19
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I thought during one speech he did say that he had some SUV's while trying to cater to one group, then in another speech he said he didn't own the SUV's, his family did. This was while he was catering to a different group.
I'll try to find the quotes.
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Old 04-27-2004, 09:29 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
The true measure of a man is what he does when faced with key decisions and then what he learns from adversity.
When faced with the most important decisions in their life lets take a look between Kerry and Bush-
Kerry chose to go to Vietnam. Bush chose to not go to Vietnam.
When faced with the adversity of Vietnam-
Kerry spoke out against it. Bush ran political campaigns for his friends.
In fact, Bush has been sheltered from adversity entirely. He knows not the results of failures even though he had them because he has been allowed to ignore them and move around on them. He fails to admit any mistakes in Iraq. He is the only president I know that has never admitted to making a mistake. That is poor character.

Kerry spoke out against adversity in Vietnam ? That's being overly euphamistic. He insulted thousands and thousands of veterans of the war. He portrayed to Congress atrocities that he not only didnt know anything about, were found to be absolutely false. He proceeded to lie in 1971 about throwing his medals over the fence at the Whitehouse, then retracted that lie when it looked better politically for him to do so.

The guy is a joke. I guess you can hope for Hillary in 08.
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Old 04-27-2004, 10:04 AM   #21
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Are you honestly claiming that there were no atrocities committed by our troops in Vietnam Crimsonedge? Please let us know so that I can fully relegate you to the ranks of Zolmaz and similarly unimportant conspiracy theorists. You suck up so much n3oc0n spin you put porn stars to shame

It's quite impressive in some ways how you guys will try to turn anything into "Kerry lied/waffled!" If only it weren't so laughably transparent that you, the Sycophant Collective (tm), have Karl Roves many tentacles working so many puppet strings. Dance for me Crimsonedge- DANCE!!!!
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
It's quite impressive in some ways how you guys will try to turn anything into "Kerry lied/waffled!" If only it weren't so laughably transparent that you, the Sycophant Collective (tm), have Karl Roves many tentacles working so many puppet strings. Dance for me Crimsonedge- DANCE!!!!
Umm Hormadrune, we don't have to turn anything into "Kerry lied/waffled!" You have to admit, the man is doing a great job of that on his own.
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
Are you honestly claiming that there were no atrocities committed by our troops in Vietnam Crimsonedge?

Obviously you didnt read what I wrote. Try again.
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Originally Posted by DullEdge
He portrayed to Congress atrocities that he not only didnt know anything about, were found to be absolutely false.
You claimed the atrocities he spoke of were found to be absolutely false. Care to explain or do you honestly expect me to take the word of a wannabe Karl Rove?
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Old 04-27-2004, 11:43 AM   #25
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Here you go. A man that served with the same people as Kerry disputes his accusations. Kerry himself said that his use of the word "atrocity" was inappropriate. Take it for what you will, although I'm sure you'll piss on it, since it doesn't exactly put your boy in a good light.
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