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Old 04-19-2004, 06:53 PM   #1
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Default Spain just played into the terrorists hands--very sad day for their country

See what the idiot spaniards have done--now these guys got what they wanted, nothing like bowing down to terrorism. I think they should be excluded from NATO. You don't walk out on a situation like this, you don't comply with terrorist requests, read what the Shiites think:



"But the news pleased Muqtada al-Sadr, the influential Shiite cleric who is hiding in the holy city of Najaf, where the Spanish troops are deployed,

"We have noticed that the coalition has pulled back," al-Sadr spokesman Sheikh Qais al-Khazaali said Monday.

"Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered the Mehdi Army to stop all attacks on the Spanish troops after they decided to pull out of Iraq."


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe...raw/index.html
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:17 PM   #2
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Your full of it! This story is false and untrue.
Spain is actually commiting 10-more troops to help in Iraq.
That alone will change the outcome of freedom for the Citizens of Iraq. /Sarcasm off

America Will make the difference in terrorism. Why? So the world can find and kill them.
How? Bullets, morters, and cruise missles. Oh My...



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Old 04-19-2004, 07:55 PM   #3
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Old 04-19-2004, 08:33 PM   #4
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Spain just played into the terrorists hands
Go back and read Bum's posts from about a year or more ago. Bum said that when elections came around the anti-war forces would come out in droves and basically replace the governments that went to war. Stop thinking it is just the terrorists that cost Spain the election. The people of these countries KNOW this is not their battle. IT ISN'T ABOUT TERRORISM, ITS ABOUT IRAQ and USA. It is not their war, we made that choice when we discarded 1441. So why should they or anyone else HAVE to fight this war. We broke it, we bought it.
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Old 04-19-2004, 09:24 PM   #5
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Dont blame the government of Spain for taking this stance, blame its citizens. Until the terrorist attacks prior to their national election, the sitting government was expected to retain leadership (by a substantial margin). That sort of flies in the face of Bums "prophecy", but thats about par for the course.

Will the absence of Spains troops effect the ultimate outcome in Iraq? Not at all. What it will do is paint targets on us and any government that stands with us and says terrorism works.
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Old 04-19-2004, 09:43 PM   #6
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Spain pulled out because thats what their citizen's wanted, we can still handle the load here, eck we just extended everyone that was supposed to go home for another 90 days.

Its all good, the situation will get worse before it gets better folks. And I wont be surprised if other countries start to leave, for instance the smal contigents from El Salvador and Honduras depended on the spanish presence here for support. I wont be surprised if both of them pull out unless the US steps in to take over the role the Spanish had for those 2 countries.

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Old 04-20-2004, 12:47 AM   #7
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Old 04-20-2004, 04:31 AM   #8
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we made that choice when we discarded 1441.
What part of it did we discard Bumble?
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Old 04-20-2004, 04:42 AM   #9
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I think he meant to say enforced..not discarded..
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:22 AM   #10
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Are American people that much uninformed about what real politicians do? I mean people who are politician, not actors, the son of his dad or a good saxophonist!

Zappatero, the actual prime minister of Spain, who beat Aznar in a democratical vote, made this promise months before shit hit the fan in Madrid.

Pussies? Nope, true politician who know what a given word is.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:31 AM   #11
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You my friend are the one uninformed, the Spanish voters were polled to elect Azner until the bombing. Azner was shown to have almost 75% of the vote until that day. They changed their minds based on the bombing. That is why people refer to them as cowards. They complied with the terrorists wishes.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:31 AM   #12
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I read a lot here, but rarely do I post here.

I come from Northern Ireland, born and bred. A place in general filled with terrorism on both sides. I grew up on the Sinn Fein end, which, dispite popular opinion, is not the head of IRA or a major supporter of millitantcy.

Spain's people made a terrible mistake by pulling out. One can say it is because they figured it was not their conflict, but if you look at the press coming out of Spain, the new government literally blamed the terrorist attacks on the involvement in the war.

That sounded the same as us getting blamed for involvement in Israeli politics and getting 9-11.

All they are teaching is terrorism works. But my warning is if one does not stand, even when getting kicked about, it only encourages an enemy. Sad thing is there are Spaniards who actually blame the US on the Madrid Bombing.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:38 AM   #13
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The fact that Aznar tried to take control of the media, making phone call to a lot of journalist telling them the author were from Batasuna (a political and terrorist group of Spain) has surely nothing to do with the kick he received in his ass...

And I am not so sure about your numbers. From what Aznar hadnt that much of advance. I think it was a 5 % margin. But I could be wrong.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:39 AM   #14
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Sad thing is there are Spaniards who actually blame the US on the Madrid Bombing.
Not that much different from most US liberals. They blame the 9/11 attacks on the people of America..not the actual shitheads who did it.
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Old 04-21-2004, 06:54 AM   #15
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Originally Posted by Alauradana
You my friend are the one uninformed, the Spanish voters were polled to elect Azner until the bombing. Azner was shown to have almost 75% of the vote until that day. They changed their minds based on the bombing. That is why people refer to them as cowards. They complied with the terrorists wishes.

El Mundo, spanish newspaper, showed on 8th february :
44,3 % for Aznar's party (liberal, right wing in Europe)
34,8 % for Zapatero's party (socialist, left wing in Europe)

And if I remember correctly, the difference was shorter some days before Madird bombing.

Source: http://www.robert-schuman.org/oee/espagne/
It is in French, I dont speak spanish. If you do, look at El Mundo web page: http://www.elmundo.es/
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:36 AM   #16
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I did some of the research on this subject a few weeks back. I think the polls showed that about 30% were voting in favour of Azner, 32% in favour of Zapatero, but 20% had said they would actively vote against Azner, although they were unsure who their vote would go to.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:03 AM   #17
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Not that much different from most US liberals. They blame the 9/11 attacks on the people of America..not the actual shitheads who did it.
We do?

I know many of you conservatives are a little low on the intellectual ladder, but the oversimplifications you indulge Trith in far too often become lies.

There is a large difference between (A) trying to find out what we did wrong (if anything) that enabled and/or precipitated these attacks and what we could do differently in the future and (B) blaming them on the people of America.

You're going to have to spin a whole lot better than that Trith. Even Karl Rove would laugh at your pathetic attempts to libel the liberals.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:26 AM   #18
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Facts of the matter. Zapatero promised to pull the Spanish army out of Iraq if elected, in line with the wishes of the Spanish people (what a shocker, politician does what the people who elected him wanted him to). The people who carried out the bombings in Madrid were terrorists with no affiliation to any of the groups currently active in Iraq. Spain, and Zapatero, have continually said that they will continue to contribute to the war on terrorism.

As someone said, 13 months ago there were very few terrorists in Iraq.

To return to Northern Ireland as brought up by Attica, when the British first sent troops to Northern Ireland, it was to act as peace keepers and protect the minority Nationalist community (who were campaigning for Civil Rights only at the time) from the Unionist controlled Police force as well as reserve forces such as the B Specials. The British were welcomed by the majority of Nationalists, but within a year due to the actions of the Army in a number of instances the nationalist community turned against them and the ranks of the IRA were swollen by young men who saw no other option but to fight back.

Unlike Attica, I grew up in the South of Ireland but remember the early days of the Troubles and the genesis of the modern IRA (apologies to Attica for simplyfying things a bit here). This is how terrorists are created and this is what has happened in Iraq
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:29 AM   #19
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Yeah..you do Horm. Two words for ya..Michael Moore...

Nuff said.

If you don't want to be labeled as idiots you need to shut fuckups like him down, he and others like him are making all liberals look like retards.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:51 AM   #20
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If you don't want to be labeled as idiots you need to shut fuckups like him down, he and others like him are making all liberals look like retards.
I don't agree with a large amount of his opinions, but he also has some very valid points. You could learn a lot from people like him.
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Old 04-21-2004, 08:56 AM   #21
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And what would that be? how to drop out of high school and make a living out of making fake documentaries and bashing 'corporate America'?
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Old 04-21-2004, 10:39 AM   #22
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Michael Moore=most liberals?

Good try Trith. Call me again when you have something relevant to say.
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Old 04-21-2004, 11:38 AM   #23
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He sure claims he is. Like I said..you guys need to tone him down because he claims to speak "for all liberals" every time his stupid ass manages to con someone into putting him on tv.
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