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Old 04-15-2004, 10:44 AM   #76
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13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations
There ya go Bumble...anything else ya need?

And it is implied military force...WTF do you think serious consequences meant..throwing eggs at his house? Don't pretend to be that stupid.
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Old 04-15-2004, 11:05 AM   #77
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Trith you're entering "BUSH IS LIEING!!!" territory.






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Old 04-15-2004, 11:43 AM   #78
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As an American, I realize how important our European allies are. I don't agree with you Trith and Chuk. I'm not ready to flip a big bird to the entire European continent. We have always needed our allies and now we need them more than ever. Why would you want to piss off the people who have supported us for over 50 years?

If a friend you've known all your life offers a suggestion about a potential danger to you, would you say, "Fuck you! I don't need your help"?
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Old 04-15-2004, 11:56 AM   #79
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I don't hate Europeans. I think, however, there is a subset of mindless, brainwashed tards in certain countries which will remain unmentioned *cough* France *cough* that could care less what happens to anyone but themselves, and they find it personally and politically amusing to try and thwart the efforts of anyone else to try and defend themselves just because it gives them a chuckle.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:11 PM   #80
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Originally Posted by Trith
I think, however, there is a subset of mindless, brainwashed tards in certain countries which will remain unmentioned <snip> that could care less what happens to anyone but themselves
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I, and most Americans could honestly care less what you think. We care about one thing..our own security
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"I don't care what you think."
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:45 PM   #81
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That's right, Sakkath. We're not a democracy.. we're a hypocrisy. It's okay for the US to not do anything for or help anyone that we don't have special interests in, but when we want to do some for our own special interests, anyone who doesn't help us is a coward.
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Old 04-15-2004, 07:51 PM   #82
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13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations
I don't see the word Military Actions in there anywhere. Are you saying that it is open to interpretation? Because you insisted before that it was an open letter for military action.
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:40 PM   #83
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Define serious consequences. Here are the most applicable definitions refrencing dictionary.com
Serious: Of considerable size or scope; substantial: a cleanup that cost serious money.
Consequence: Significance; importance: an issue of consequence

Now there are different interpretations on this, but the only way we could achieve any of them would be military involement, as they are in a situation prior to this of near total economic isolation. So yes military action is implied in the document. Proceed to argue over if you believe it was used properly.
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:59 PM   #84
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Jesus, I don't normally post in this cesspit but as an Australian when I see posts like Trith's I wonder what the fuck possesses us to go to war in just about every theatre of conflict the world over with you guys.

Allies? Your "allies" take it up the arse from the US so hard the tears in our eyes keep us from seeing the fine print on the war manifestos. Go have a look at the latest free trade agreement the current US administration "told" us we would be accepting right when we're supporting the US.

As a citizen of an allied nation I do not feel secure knowing the US is going to "look out for us" I feel scared. The people you want to be scared of you aren't and the people you want to trust you can't.

PS: I'm pretty sure the local defenders of justice will write this off as liberal-pinko-commie-foreigner whining. Go right ahead, just know that you're writing some big fucking cheques and spending all that good-grace, trust and harmony you've built up in the past with your fellow Western nations. But hey, we're a tiny nation of insignificant cocksuckers so what's it matter eh?
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Old 04-15-2004, 09:10 PM   #85
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Oh and last I checked, France was part of the EU. Its just that they don't
currently hold the presidency to it right now.
France can kiss America's ass. Have a wine (Whine) enema on the USA.

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Kudos to the EU for fighting the real war on terror.
The terror against who? How's your ignorance there bumble?

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France is not the pacifist country that your Conservatives
try to make them out to be. They are JUDICIOUS.
You are so stupid it makes me nervous. Can ignorance really be this ignorant.
Next on CNN.

JUDICIOUS means they fight when they need to not when they want to.
No. It doesn't. And even you know better.

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It should also be pointed out that there are a large number of French troops in Afghanistan.
huh?
Large numbers?
LMFAO! Reporters with white flags are not Troops.

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Great. There are however terrorists in many other countries at the
moment. We are finally seeing now, just how large the terrorist contingency in
Iraq actually was with all the insurgent activity as of late. There are no
French troops in Iraq...only bids to profit on the rebuilding.
/Agree

Anybody who thinks they can pay off terrorists through pacifism will suffer.
Like the French. How about them bombs found that the leftist media
hasn't reported? In FRANCE!!

And the french think they are not a target. Har Har Har to you frenchies.



WTG Socialism. Stay the fuck out of America.




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Old 04-15-2004, 11:05 PM   #86
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France and Germany and Russia. France were the only ones to come out and say they would veto any further resolutions which led to war, but the Germans and Russians backed them up on it.
If I'm not mistaken France rejected our resolution faster then they rejected Osama.

1441 called for a UN Security Council vote before ANY ACTION was taken.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. All it says is that the council must convene, but nothing about a vote. I'd be happy if you could prove me wrong.
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Old 04-16-2004, 12:59 AM   #87
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French Troops in AfghanistanTally up the numbers of French in Afghanistan and you'll find those numbers are fairly large. You'll also see that as per usual the French were one of the first lot of troops on the ground.

Then look at the other ignorant shit at number 5, who depsite knowing that the French are helping can't help having his own dig. He'd fit really well into the Zolmaz, Trith, Chuckzombi, School for Ignorance. He also seems to think that it's cowardly to surrender to the Germans having only lost 75% of your military.

Keep em coming boys, the faster you set them up the faster we can knock them down.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:24 AM   #88
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heh, did you read some of the comments below that #5?

Someone has to clean the latrines.....
They will be baking the breakfast croissants.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:31 AM   #89
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As a citizen of an allied nation I do not feel secure knowing the US is going to "look out for us" I feel scared. The people you want to be scared of you aren't and the people you want to trust you can't.
That's easy to remedy then. When Al Qaeda gasses your people..or sets off a nuke in one of your cities..frying your friends alive..don't call us. Go grab a stick or some rocks and hunt Al Qaeda down by yourself..we don't have to help you know..you are a grown person and can do it yourself right..assuming you aren't too fucked up from the radiation or bio-chems that they use on you..

You are yet another example of someone who just flat out "Doesn't get it" (tm) and won't get it until some terrorist bends you over and "makes you get it".
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I don't get it?? You're the dude who thinks blasting Iraq into the stone age is solving the Al Qaeda problem. Go go logical thinking.

You don't have to help us? We sure as fuck didn't have to send our soldiers to die in your wars but we did. We did the right thing and trust you to do the same, joke's on us huh? My country has always unstintingly stood behind yours in everything from actual wars to trade to UN arguments and now when you don't do the right thing and we raise our hand in protest you tell us to fuck off and burn with the rest of the liberal-commie terrorists?

You're a poster-child for anti-US hate sentiment.
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:02 AM   #91
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your wars
Yet again..you demonstrate that you don't get it. The war on terror is everyone's war..not just ours. If you refuse to deal with terrorism it will eventually deal with you and your loved ones..and you will probably be less than pleased with the result.

My country has always unstintingly stood behind yours in everything from actual wars
I'm glad your country did because you obviously don't.

now when you don't do the right thing
Translation: when you don't do what I want you to do in my own narrow little vision of the world..

You're a poster-child for anti-US hate sentiment
Like you guys needed a poster child for that in the first place. Anytime you stub your toe it has somehow been relegated to America's fault for the last 20 years.

No..you don't get it at all.
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:16 AM   #92
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The "war on terror" as people so politically call it is everyone's issue. The war in Iraq and the continual stirring of worldwide anti-Western sentiment is your war.

You don't know me or my pro/anti-US sentiments. Until recently I've always been a supporter of the US and our alliances with it. But no matter how long you've been friends when your best buddy turns around and kicks you in the face and says "enjoy it or fuck off", you don't feel too good about being friends anymore. If you think this is a couple of anti-US loonies, think again.

But then again no one else's opinion matters does it ... you've got so many guns you don't need friends.

PS: if you read my post instead of inventing your own shit you'd see I used "your wars" in the past tense ... you know, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf V1, ya know?
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:18 AM   #93
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The war in Iraq and the continual stirring of worldwide anti-Western sentiment is your war.
The war in Iraq and the war on terror are one in the same. The are inseperable and if you think otherwise you are lieing to yourself.

continual stirring of worldwide anti-Western sentiment
Perhaps you wish to join Al Qaeda instead of fight them? I'm sure they have a recruiting website somewhere..
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Old 04-16-2004, 09:52 AM   #94
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So if Al-Quaeda hates Iraq because it is a secular state then why are they asking for countries to pull their troops out of it? Why do the things the liberals say sound just like the things OBL says?... That one reason for our war with Iraq is to make Haliburton money.

Seems to me OLB would want a socialist America because he knows he could have his way(jihad) with us then. He knows we wouldnt fight back or we would just bomb some useless stuff to make it look like we are taking action to settle the conservatives down.

I wouldnt doubt a second attack coming after Bush is re-elected.

Liberals out there, I would rethink my shizzle when it falls in line with the leader of the terrorist world. Hmm but maybe you guys arent that much different than OBL JK
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But then again no one else's opinion matters does it ... you've got so many guns you don't need friends
We don't need friends that turn a blind eye to terrorism that's for sure.
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Old 04-16-2004, 10:22 AM   #96
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Kerryn in your research did you uncover that France was bribed (this is documented fact) for 40 billion dollars of diverted funds from the corrupt UN Oil for Food plan to come out against the US plans for Iraq? You can prattle on about a few frogs in afghanistan but when the chips are down the toads hop the other way.
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Old 04-16-2004, 09:49 PM   #97
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didnt they find documents of the connections Iraq had with France when they first tore Baghdad up?
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Old 04-17-2004, 08:14 AM   #98
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Caelie said: "We don't need friends that turn a blind eye to terrorism that's for sure."
Who's this referring to?

Iraq is the WMD thing, completely different set of pre-cepts, your country asked us (Australia) to back the play. We sent Special Forces... you referring to Zaniel? Our concerns aren't somehow entwined with your individual points of view, friend. People are free to mull upon their soverein view no matter what your immediate opinions are about military direction.

On a seperate note:
France did not actually give up the War in Europe. History reports that the French President, Petain, did stuff he shouldn't have, like surrender his country. That's just ONE guy. French patriots (there were a lot) pressed the war against Germany under an Occupation of overwhelming military strength. A provisional French government run by de Gaulle was set up, in England. Obviously all of France did not surrender. Petain approved summary executions on his own people, virtually declaring German authority absolute, it took real guts to fight back out of that Occupation through such a morbid snafu.

How would the States manage under an enemy Occupation with 75% of its military taken out, all its bases captured, and multiple civilians executed if an enemy troop was shot at by local resistance?
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:52 PM   #99
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Yep Kanibaal and we are still finding more documents as they translate them. According to the news reports we have only translated 10% or less of all the files the Iraqi government had. Iraq was paying off countries to leave them alone, in fact they were bribing officials in our government to do the same. there are already investigations and arrests being made due to those files. When the whole story comes out there will be quite a few embarrassed worl leaders and politicians, careers will be ruined and IMO the UN will be either restructured or we will cease to use them. The Oil For Food program is the biggest UN scam going and may shed some light on where saddam smuggled his WMD to.
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Who's this referring to?

Iraq is the WMD thing, completely different set of pre-cepts, your country asked us (Australia) to back the play. We sent Special Forces... you referring to Zaniel? Our concerns aren't somehow entwined with your individual points of view, friend. People are free to mull upon their soverein view no matter what your immediate opinions are about military direction.
Australias leader choose to send troops regardles of what the people of Australia felt. That's a friend of the US.
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