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Old 04-07-2004, 07:41 PM   #1
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Default Doesnt Matter any longer

Prez Bush has managed to fook it up so bad in Iraq, that he has united the
Sunni and the Shite in common cause.

The war will expand, and more men will die. The question then is:

'Is the Prez ruthless enough to adopt a strategy that will WIN?'
or
'Will the Prez stubbornly keep men on the ground, dying until he either pulls out, or is voted out?'

Because this situation is escalating

My own opinion is that the Prez is too stupid to realize he cant win the PR war, and too stubborn to pull out. We will get the worse of both worlds.
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:45 PM   #2
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He is after all
Originally Posted by GW Bush
a uniter not a divider
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:54 PM   #3
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Well with a united front against us we are practically begging the entire Arab world to unite against us. We will have one ally over there- Israel. The volatility of this whole thing is that this can enflame into an Arab vs. US war. That is the worst of all situations. In order to fix it quick Bush must do one of two things.

First- flood the country with about 500,000 soldiers and conduct a strong offensive war against Iraqis which must have fast results.

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Second- admit his errors and invite a true international consortium to come in and conduct negotiations for the turnover of Iraq.

Bush will take neither step as he is more concerned about being elected then he is by doing what is right.
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:57 PM   #4
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I agree. It woyld take a REAL leader to see the gravity of the situation.
Someone like Lincoln. Someone with TRUE vision.
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Old 04-08-2004, 04:47 AM   #5
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Someone like Lincoln, yes. A man who has been dead for a century would be highly effective in this situation. Hell, let's bring in FDR too. And Nuldar, because you trust him!

What would Nuldar do? That's the real question.

It's easy to look over past decisions and see where they all turned out properly. It's a different beast entirely to be faced with a situation and not be able to see what's on the other side of it.

We realize that your opinion is that the president is too stupid to do the right thing. The question is: Do you have a flippin clue what the right thing is? Would you be able to make it happen if you were in his shoes?

Well why not? You expect him to be Superman. You expect him to know it all. So why don't you? Why don't you have any input other than "George Bush sucks" to contribute to any of these threads?
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Old 04-08-2004, 11:25 AM   #6
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Actually Brigid, if you actually read the archives you would find my analysis
written just after 9/11.

But going in on the ground in Iraq was NOT what I advocated.
So in this event, I am NOT speaking of hindsight. Since I predicted ahead
of time exactly what would happen. Oddly enough, I was correct.
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Old 04-08-2004, 11:47 AM   #7
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You expect him to be Superman
Yes, he is the leader of the worlds most powerful nation.
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:08 PM   #8
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ok.. seems like an other vietnam.

hope they will not bring 500 000 soldiers to the iraq... waste of young soldiers.
Bush just dont know what to do now... there is no way with more military power to calm down this situation.
actually ... i have no idea what to do.

it was just wrong to start this war... the situation makes this clear.

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Old 04-08-2004, 12:15 PM   #9
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No there IS a solution, and it is VERY easy. It is just that the USA desnt have the stomach for it.

That is why we should avoid wr.
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:23 PM   #10
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ok.. you mean: go and kill all this bastards ?

...kill 8 million iraqis .... you got probably 10 million more against you in the iraq... and about 20 mio more worldwide.. so you have to kill this 30 mio people also.

...it will end up to kill all the 800 million muslims.

mmhh.. sounds like a plan
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:49 PM   #11
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I posted on this subject a long time ago. Some of you should refresh your memories...
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Underestimating the situation
"Bush administration officials say they underestimated the Shiites’ organizational strength and are unprepared to prevent the rise of an anti-American, Islamic fundamentalist government in the country"

“It is a complex equation, and the U.S. government is ill-equipped to figure out how this is going to shake out,” a State Department official said

Some U.S. intelligence analysts and Iraq experts said they warned the Bush administration before the war about vanquishing Hussein’s government without having anything to replace it. But officials said the concerns were either not heard or fell too low on the priority list of postwar planning.


Somehow I'm not surprised. No WMD, no real plan for keeping order after the 'Regime Change' and now a whole lot of anti-US sentiment among the Iraqi people.
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Old 04-08-2004, 01:07 PM   #12
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http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=11055

look at the date... i still think this gonna happen.

sad but true
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Old 04-08-2004, 01:10 PM   #13
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No Lallek, it is merely a solution. One that would work.
Stalin or Hitler or Caligula would have no trouble implementing such a solution.
AND it would end the resistance ONCE AND FOR ALL.

It also worked for the British in the Boer war.

It also worked for the UNITED STATES, at a place called 'Wounded Knee'.
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Old 04-08-2004, 01:17 PM   #14
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i am sorry .. it wouldnt work.
at the end you will have a war that you cant win... and it is against my mentality to agree to such a murder.

i thought we are far behind the time where a human beeing is nothing worth.

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Old 04-08-2004, 05:34 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
Prez Bush has managed to fook it up so bad in Iraq, that he has united the
Sunni and the Shite in common cause.

The war will expand, and more men will die. The question then is:

'Is the Prez ruthless enough to adopt a strategy that will WIN?'
or
'Will the Prez stubbornly keep men on the ground, dying until he either pulls out, or is voted out?'

Because this situation is escalating

My own opinion is that the Prez is too stupid to realize he cant win the PR war, and too stubborn to pull out. We will get the worse of both worlds.
We all know your against war. Your dream is for a conflict failure so
the power you dream of can take Washington. But at what cost>?

You want America to "not" be the superpower of the world, Np but,
who will protect you when threatened by NK and their nukes?
Or any other renegade country?

Just admit that your dream is for America to just go away Chiteng.

Who would you like to be the peacefull superpower of the world Chiteng?
And no, there is no peace when threats are preparing.

Or maybe you would have prefered that the old Soviet Union won the cold war?
And the Whole world was under communist rule, and randomly sent your friends to Siberia.


I honestly believe you have mental problems.




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Old 04-08-2004, 05:42 PM   #16
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Just turn on the TV Zolmaz. Watch something besides FoxNews.
Like CNN.

I dont like watching war being waged ineffectively. THAT is true.
Because men are dying, and for nothing. That is a tragic waste.
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Old 04-08-2004, 05:44 PM   #17
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I'm proud of the Japs. They aren't giving in to the terrorist demands.
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Old 04-08-2004, 05:45 PM   #18
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am sorry .. it wouldnt work.
at the end you will have a war that you cant win... and it is against my mentality to agree to such a murder.

i thought we are far behind the time where a human beeing is nothing worth.

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I didnt say that human life is worthless. I said there is a solution to the problem. These people are trying to kill us. If I must choose, I choose
'we' live, and they die. Not the other way around.
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Old 04-08-2004, 05:46 PM   #19
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Just turn on the TV Zolmaz. Watch something besides FoxNews.
Like CNN.
Ummm No Thanks. I try to avoid vomiting at all cost.
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Old 04-08-2004, 05:46 PM   #20
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Then dont pretend to be objective =)
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Old 04-08-2004, 09:01 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
Just turn on the TV Zolmaz. Watch something besides FoxNews.
Like CNN.

I dont like watching war being waged ineffectively. THAT is true.
Because men are dying, and for nothing. That is a tragic waste.
Say Chiteng, i'll let you in on a little fact.
Read-my-lips, Zolmaz does not own a T.V. set. Got that? I've posted
it at least 10 times in the last 6-freeking years.

Next week,
We will seek the truth about crack-babies and memory loss. Stay tuned..




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Old 04-08-2004, 09:09 PM   #22
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Zolmaz does not own a T.V. set.
Sheesh and you call yourself an American?
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Old 04-08-2004, 09:23 PM   #23
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Sheesh and you call yourself an American?
What does T.V. have to do with being an American?

Are you implying that people must own a TV set to be an American?

You must feel really bad about those terrorists hiding in caves.
Hurry, You must petition for a grant so we can get them cable before we KILL THEM ALL.




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Old 04-09-2004, 04:12 AM   #24
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Did anyone know that the military predicted this was going to happen as they get closer and closer to the hand-over date? After all if you had power, would you be willing to give it up.

I guess this Shia Cleric did not. He has a power base..yes, but it is small in fact on the totem pole of Iraq clerics he is second tier. He has been warranted for arrest by an Iraq judge in ordering the hacking up of a rival cleric. No one seems to talk about that? I think he is afraid of losing his power base..so he struck out in the hope of inflaming passions of others. Will it work? Unknown...that story still has to be written.

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Old 04-09-2004, 04:27 AM   #25
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Watch something besides FoxNews. Like Cnn
I would rather get a cold water enema 3 times a day than have to watch the Communist News Newtwork..
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