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Old 04-07-2004, 08:41 AM   #1
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Default Iraqi Cleric is a Legitimate Voice

I usually don't articles from this site because it looks like crap....but I went there today and found this article.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...7/104340.shtml

I really hope we don't elect this guy in November...
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:46 AM   #2
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Doesn't surprise me. Kerry has been a fucking moron since day one..now he's just proving it for the masses. Best thing the dems can do right now is try their best to shut him the fuck up before he buries himself more.

He kinda reminds me of Butters from South Park.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:47 AM   #3
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Newsmax is the jerry springer of news, although those are some provocative quotes by John Kerry, dunno the context of them all the same.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:51 AM   #4
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"If all we do is make war against the Iraqi people and continue an American occupation, fundamentally, without a clarity as to who and how sovereignty is being turned over, we have a very serious problem for the long run here," Kerry added. "And I think this administration is just walking dead center down into that trap."
Shows foresight if you ask me.
Mark that quote for it will prove to you once again how right us Libs are and how wrong you cons are.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:58 AM   #5
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I usually don't articles from this site because it looks like crap....but I went there today and found this article.
you mean:

I usually don't [link] articles from this site because it looks like crap....but this one serves my purpose so I'll ignore my misgivings

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One thing's for sure; bombing a mosque isn't going to help relieve tension
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Shows foresight if you ask me.
Are you referring to his comments about the newspaper owned by that cleric as a "legitimate voice"?
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:59 AM   #7
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Shows foresight if you ask me.
More like foreskin..as in he doesn't understand dick about what he's talking about.

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Old 04-07-2004, 09:01 AM   #8
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One thing's for sure; bombing a mosque isn't going to help relieve tension
Word is that the mosque was fired on after the US troops received fire from the compound. I have zero issues with blowing up a mosque if there are folks there shooting at our troops.
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Old 04-07-2004, 09:03 AM   #9
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Even that article points out that he corrected himself and said 'a voice'. If the election is going to be fought on verbal faux-pas, Bush might as well just give up

Bush: The trouble with the French is that they don't have a word for entreprenneur.
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Old 04-07-2004, 09:04 AM   #10
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There are conflicting stories about the mosque bombing. Some say 500Lbs bomb dropped "nearby", others say rockets fired from a helecopter "directly at" the mosque. Perhaps there was a reason (i.e. shoulder fired SAM on roof), perhaps there wasn't (really stupid military pilot decides to drop something near or on the mosque).

Regardless of the reason or method, it will seriously raise the hate towards the United States. To them, this is a holy war, only exemplified by the bombing of a holy site.
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Old 04-07-2004, 09:05 AM   #11
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Even that article points out that he corrected himself and said 'a voice'.
Even so, he seemed to be defending the "voice".
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:22 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Sakkath
One thing's for sure; bombing a mosque isn't going to help relieve tension
Maybe not in Iraq but it sure as hell will relieve some tension here in the US.
The bastages went and messed with the wrong bunch. You just don't go around hanging Americans from bridges. We're not Spain and we won't back down!
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Old 04-07-2004, 01:36 PM   #13
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I vote to Burn all the mosque's to the ground.




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Old 04-07-2004, 07:30 PM   #14
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They want to blame us for attacking a mosque when the truth of the matter is that's where the sneaky insurgents are hiding out. They use human shields so they can holler we killed innocent civilians.

On a side note, I wouldn't put it past Kerry at all to have actually said those things in the article. He is so liberal that he will sympathize with the terrorist before he would stand up for his on country. He would be better off to keep his mouth shut and talk to America about his political platform.

Nevermind, let him keep talking. He'll self destruct just like Dean did.
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Old 04-08-2004, 07:10 AM   #15
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Officially housing combatants in a Mosque (normally an un-lawful target) negates their protection under the Laws of Armed Conflict (LOAC). Once the protection is removed they are now a lawful target for combatants on the battlefield.

In reality...the commander on the ground, needs to think about the local populace, who we are trying to not alienate, will feel once you destroy their place of worship.

In this case for that Helo to fire rockets into the Mosque they must have been engaged by ground fire...small-arms most likely. At least they better be able to say so.

No matter how you look at it...it is getting down-right ugly on the ground. ROE better keep pace with the changes in the AO.

This "WAR" isnt over by a long shot.
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Old 04-08-2004, 07:33 AM   #16
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I agree totally, I didn't say it was a wrong decision, just that it will make things worse.

Unfortunately, just like the assinine ideas Caelie and Zolspaz espouse, it plays directly into the terrorists hands.
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Old 04-08-2004, 07:40 AM   #17
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Unfortunately you are correct. Attacking that Mosque, was probably the worst thing that could happen atm.

If nothing else, we just made the case for the local religous leaders who are jockeying for position to assume control of the country. We just proved we are infidel, non-believers in Allah and the Prophet.

We may now be completely screwed. At least to win over the local populace, that is.

Militarily we will still "win", I think...but it is going to get really ugly, now.
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Old 04-08-2004, 08:50 AM   #18
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Oh Bullshit. We blew down a couple walls. The main structure is still
intact. For now anyway.

Why don't we send in the same feds that went after the Davidian compund huh?
Oh wait, that was a christian wacko organization, not an islamic terrorist base.

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Old 04-08-2004, 10:51 AM   #19
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Calm down Zolmaz...the difference here is...

A Mosque was attacked in an Arab country...by American forces, ostensibly there to help the citizenry. It doesnt matter, that it was probably provoked and justified.

We insulted Mohammed and Allah. Simple as that.

If anything Im a realist. The impressions of the Iraqi's in this matter have be taken into account. Foolish to do otherwise.
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Old 04-08-2004, 11:09 AM   #20
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My first reaction was over the top I admit, but this is very frustrating
knowing that a couple cruise missles could hasten this falujableh battle.
I'm still pondering.



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Old 04-08-2004, 11:14 AM   #21
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We insulted Mohammed and Allah. Simple as that.
"Mohammad and Allah" were insulted when the radicals carried weapons into the holy mosque and used it as a shield to hide in...
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Old 04-08-2004, 11:17 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by Trith
"Mohammad and Allah" were insulted when the radicals carried weapons into the holy mosque and used it as a shield to hide in...

Not from their perspective, Trith. Im on your "side" remember...just stating fact. From personal experience...not just supposition, as some here.
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Old 04-10-2004, 10:05 AM   #23
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i try to stay out of the steamvent as much as possible, simply because of the complete animosity between liberals and conservatives here. But this fellow, Al-Sadr...man, what a can of worms we opened up here.

We go to a country to help give them freedom, when in fact they really don't give a shit either way. What do they want when we "free" them of their dictator? they want a theocracy, not only a theocracy, but one led by a man who would happily shoot any good christian folks (not that its a bad thing...) in a heartbeat. Who's more militant now?

Its almost like Vietnam. But at this stage, we still have the opportunity to clean up the mess we're making. Whether we decide to or not us entirely up to the US, and at this point, i don't think its going to happen...Bush is too trigger happy.

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