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Old 04-06-2004, 07:34 PM   #1
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How Many American Soldiers have your ($1 billion) in American tax dollars paid to have killed in Iraq this week?
Boy I guess we get the Bush daily-double on this---
Kill our soldiers and raise our deficit (read-future taxes) in one fell swoop. Jus like non-thinking conservatives want it to be.

Yeehaw we's a-going to have us a war maw, fetch the youngins so we can go a-round us up some of them there I-Rack-ees!!!
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Old 04-06-2004, 08:57 PM   #2
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How Many American Soldiers have your ($1 billion) in American tax dollars paid to have killed in Iraq this week?
Boy I guess we get the Bush daily-double on this---
Kill our soldiers and raise our deficit (read-future taxes) in one fell swoop. Jus like non-thinking conservatives want it to be.

Yeehaw we's a-going to have us a war maw, fetch the youngins so we can go a-round us up some of them there I-Rack-ees!!!
These are what are called battles, and in those battles men on both sides can get killed. This isnt one of your xbox games where the hero can kill 300 soldiers singlehandedly and not take a scratch. this is reality.


lets look at a few examples of past battles and see how your post stacks up


http://www.iwojima.com/battle/battled.htm

More US Marines earned the Medal of Honor on Iwo Jima than in any other battle in US History.

In 36 days of fighting there were 25,851 US casualties (1 in 3 were killed or wounded).

Of these, 6,825 American boys were killed. Virtually all 22,000 Japanese perished.
Holy shit , thats a lot of people, we musta lost that war or ran away becuase the democrats got mad we were wasting our time in Japan.


Lets look at another battle

http://www.civilwarhome.com/shotgunantietam.htm
As darkness fell across the battlefield, the fighting ceased. Though the lines had not significantly changed, there were over 23,000 casualties. The single bloodiest day of the war was over. Instead, of slipping out under cover of darkness, Lee elected to hold his position and await battle the next day. McClellan, instead of calling up his reserve corps (Porter) and crushing Lee's army on the 18th, elected to sit out the day waiting on more reserves. When the battle was not resumed on the 18th, Lee began moving his army out that evening, and slipped back across the Potomac. The Maryland Campaign was over.
Although the battle was a "tactical" drawn, it was a "strategic" victory for the Union. This single battle, as no other, would change the course of the war.
Oh my god, in one day! If Bumble was in charge the yankees would have retreated after the first 15 deaths. Better to give in than fight for what we believe in , right dude?
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Old 04-06-2004, 09:07 PM   #3
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I know what war is. My point, since you are obviously closeminded, is that this is reaching a point of idiocy. This war has no purpose and is getting less of a purpose. We are almost at a point where we will have gone into Iraq and are fighting the people of Iraq and having to pay a billion dollars a week for this. So to sum it up, you and I are paying about $5 a day to have our soldiers killed for NO REASON. Break it down, that is about $1800 a year to have your neighbors kid and many others like him or her get killed with no purpose.
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Old 04-06-2004, 09:16 PM   #4
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You really think there is no reason? Weather you agree with the reason(s) for going in or not, there were/are reasons behind it. You just said in that other thread you don't want to pull out our troops before it's over. Saying that and at the same time saying there is no reason to be there makes absolutly no sense.
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Old 04-06-2004, 09:18 PM   #5
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To YOU it may seem pointless, to YOU it may be a waste of time , but your opinion does not = fact. Sure its easy to play armchair quarterback vedge out on the sofa and get swallowed up by the gobbledygook propaganda of CNN and think some moral outrage is being committed. If you cared to read over my post instead of blah blah blah it and decide im trying to "make jokes" you would see what im telling you. a few deaths here and there a few skirmishes here and there in Iraq is NOTHING to what we have done in the past and in all those cases they were integral in accomplishing our goals. I dont want any of our boys to die either over there, but in war people die, you can only push tech so far before there comes a time we have to send real live flesh and bone troops to take down those scumbags.
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Old 04-06-2004, 09:32 PM   #6
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Bumbleroot,
You deserve nothing in life. If anything, your nothing but a coward
that gets off on the deaths of American Soldiers because it
suits your agenda. How is your agenda doing?

Grats Bumble. You should be proud for every one of our coalition deaths
at the hands of terrorists. Including the Iraqis trying to defend their cities.



GOD BLESS OUR AMERICAN TROOPS
GOD BLESS OUR LEADERSHIP
GOD BLESS AMERICA
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:00 AM   #7
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right now the US is fighting the people they meant to free.
so... there are right now hundreds, and they getting more.

now i wonder where the reason is... seems that nobody wants the US in there.

and btw...everything happens like most middleeast-specialist, this war will probably never ends... and the next pres will pull out.

very nice .. much more stable now down in iraq.

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Old 04-07-2004, 12:12 AM   #8
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All that we see is what the media lets us see. Unless you're receiving briefings directly from the command staff itself, or are personally involved in the situations, take it with a grain of salt. You're not necessarily receiving facts; you're receiving interpretation and opinion.
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Old 04-07-2004, 04:37 AM   #9
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To YOU it may seem pointless, to YOU it may be a waste of time , but your opinion does not = fact.
LEt me explain some FACT to you since you still don't get it.
It doesn't mean a bit of shit what Bush and his Neo-cons believe or feel. The only ones that it matter about is the people of Iraq. They are the ones who REALLY have to live with this. And, according to what I can see, they certainly don't seem to want us there.

You just said in that other thread you don't want to pull out our troops before it's over.
Its not that I don't want our troops out of there. I don't want us to inflame this situation (as we are) when we have had every opportunity to fix it but have refused to do what is needed to fix it. It may be too late now.
However, we can not cut and run now. We are going to have to defeat the people of Iraq and that was never on any reason for going into Iraq. That is going to cost lives upon lives. Now how is this morphing into what it is a success for the Bush camp? It isn't. Period!!! It is a MISERABLE FAILURE!!!
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Old 04-07-2004, 04:40 AM   #10
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thats right... all the positive things are right.. negativ is just the media ..bla bla.

it was just a question of time that this happen. no reason to wonder.
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Old 04-07-2004, 04:45 AM   #11
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Now how is this morphing into what it is a success for the Bush camp? It isn't. Period!!! It is a MISERABLE FAILURE!!!
isnt that was most of the experts said before the war ?
but this guys are just clueless .. they know nothing about the middle-east.

geez... the US has not even enough native-speakers in the army to communicate with the iraqis.

just like Bush said "this is the best military plan he ever had seen"

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Old 04-07-2004, 04:51 AM   #12
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The situation in Iraq is no secret...

The initial euphoria of removing Saddam has passed. The clerics are making power plays to insinuate themselves into the most advantageous position for the "hand-off" of power. Id be highly surprised if this actally takes place in June, as projected.

Guerrilla actions by the extremists are slowly whittling away at domestic support of the action in Iraq. This is a shame, as this is precisely what lead to us being pulled from Mogadishu. Those guys died for nothing too. We should never have been there in the first place but damnit I was pissed when we were ordered to tuck tail.

Basic infrastructure for daily living comfort for the citizens of Iraq, are non-existant. There are plans in place to fix these issues, namely utilities and hygiene initiatives, but these take time, said infrastructure, supples, and money to implement.

US Forces on the ground, do not need to hear about the loss of popular support nor do they need to hear about how what they are doing is pointless. They have a mission/job to perform, and are doing it to the best of their ability within the limitations set forth by the chain-of-command.

Hopefully the "Chain-of-Command" will set forth a more concrete plan for actions ahead. We know ultimately where we want to go...as always the question is, which route to take.
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Old 04-07-2004, 05:37 AM   #13
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Let me see if I understand this correctly. Four US Contract employees were murdered and their bodies mutilated. These 4 workers were there to HELP with the distribution of food, and other basic necessities. The US is trying to help the citizens of Iraq and a very small group decide to "bite the hand that feeds them". If I understand this correctly, this group is what is left of the Saddam supporters. I say burn all the Saddam supporters. If they think they are tough 'mojo's' because they can murder 4 unarmed peace workers, they are no different than the 9/11 hijackers, taking out non-military targets. So the US military will deal with them the same way we deal with Al Queda, blow their fooking asses to hell.

Losing even ONE US Military person hurts like hell, I will never deny that. But if you look at the total deployment and the losses, this has been a VERY SAFE war when compared to other wars. Other wars, losing 30%, 50%, up to 100% of the total deployment was not uncommon. In Iraq, the US and it's allies are still UNDER 1 percent losses. This is NOT EQ you Libs, this is real life. Whether you agree or not, the US decided to take out the bad guy.

There have been many other threads on the topic of should we or shouldn't we, so no reason to hash it out all over again. Everyone on this board, no matter what policitcal persuasion, has AGREED that Saddam Hussein, and his sons, are BAD GUYS. The argument is how should we deal with him. Personally, I wish George Sr. would have taken out the government back in 1991, but way past that argument now.

God Bless the US Troops!!!! To those that have given their lives, may their rewards in heaven be great!!!!
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Old 04-07-2004, 05:54 AM   #14
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How many threads do we need like this? It is like Bumbler uses this forum to have his own protests. Get off your lazy ass and go protest where it counts. We dont care what you have to say Bumbler, you call us closeminded when we dont agree with your cowardice ways. Move to Canada please.
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Old 04-07-2004, 06:17 AM   #15
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I love how Chuk compares it to Iwo Jima.

Like Iraq attacked us on our own soil....
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Old 04-07-2004, 06:54 AM   #16
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I love how Chuk compares it to Iwo Jima.
Why not? both were battles where american lives were lost on the way to a goal. Do you think 6,000 american lives lost in Iwo Jima just becuase we wanted to secure the island was worth it? Iwo Jima on the whole played a major role in defeating the japanese regime. Securing these little shitpot areas in Iraq does the same thing. Ignoring fallupah and sadr would be the worst kind of policy. These things have to be done in order to achive a free, safe Iraq.
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:20 AM   #17
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I say burn all the Saddam supporters.
This is not all Saddam supporters. It is the Shiites- those that were killed and repressed by Saddam.

And as far as me protesting- I am limited by what I can do because of my job. I am in the media and I can not physically show support without compromising my job. I can and have given money in support of Kerry. I will give more money. I also will be registering people to vote as I believe that will help defeat Bush.
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Old 04-07-2004, 07:28 AM   #18
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Ahh so you work in the media... that would explain the obsession you have with everything negative.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:13 AM   #19
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God Bless the US Troops!!!! To those that have given their lives, may their rewards in heaven be great!!!!
You'll be telling them that there are 72 virgins waiting for them next....
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:15 AM   #20
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I am in the media and I can not physically show support without compromising my job
I had to laugh out loud at that one.
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Old 04-07-2004, 08:25 AM   #21
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Delivering newspapers does not count as being part of the media.
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Old 04-07-2004, 10:41 AM   #22
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Sakkath, don't tell me that you think heaven is all about sex???? So shallow minded!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-07-2004, 10:57 AM   #23
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Delivering newspapers does not count as being part of the media.
Nice try Flub. I'm glad you brought that up, because that comment that I made before to some Yahoo who claimed they knew something about newspapers went unanswered.
If only I did deliver papers that would make you so happy. But unfortunately my resume is a bit more extensive than that. I currently sell commercial printing on our press. My professional experience is in advertising, production, news and IT/Operations. Well, I guess I did deliver some papers as a teenager, but I don't really put that on my resume.
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I currently sell commercial printing on our press.
Is that a nice way of saying you're a telemarketer?
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