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Old 04-02-2004, 11:42 AM   #1
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Default Does the United States have the right.....

To close its borders?

Do we have the right to say, NO MORE PEOPLE?

Yes or No.
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Old 04-02-2004, 11:46 AM   #2
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Sure we do. It would go against the basic premise of this country, but it's well with in our rights as far as I am aware.

Please note that I wouldn't be in favor of it at all, indeed I would have a new crusade , but I don't think there's any legal reason why we couldn't.
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Old 04-02-2004, 11:55 AM   #3
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No more visitors? No more residents? No more foreign exchange students named Elke? Where should we start... or stop?

I for one am getting sick and tired of these poorly educated Mexicans taking all of our jobs in the fields of rocket science and brain surgery. Stop the flood now before they end up getting all the CEO jobs.
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Old 04-02-2004, 12:27 PM   #4
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Old 04-02-2004, 12:34 PM   #5
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Old 04-02-2004, 01:47 PM   #6
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Old 04-02-2004, 03:40 PM   #7
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Yes. We have the right but if we do, it will effect our way of life and
I doubt any Americans would be welcome outside of our boarders.
In fact we would most likely be robbed and beat. Not to mention a
win by the terrorists

Isolationism is just like pasifism in this case. And neither would be acceptable
for the status of Superpower.


LMAO Shardmoonver.1, I got a good loud laugh from that post. *Salute*




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Old 04-02-2004, 06:44 PM   #8
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Yes, although it would be very unamerican.
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Old 04-02-2004, 07:29 PM   #9
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Say Chiteng,,,
What's your vote? Are you scared? No worry, your mommy will protect you
and change your diaper.


Don't worry Chiteng, Be happy. Be honest, it doesn't hurt a bit.




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Old 04-02-2004, 07:40 PM   #10
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For some reason I thought this was the thread for those people
that ride them small little yellow busses.

Sorry. My bad. I thought this was one of them intellectual threads
where logic and facts mattered.

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Old 04-02-2004, 08:25 PM   #11
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No more foreign exchange students named Elke?
Noooo, at my school the foreign exchange students are so cool, some of those european girls are pretty cute and this one german dude is teaching me to dance. Hell I think their better than the stupid kids at our school.
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Old 04-02-2004, 09:14 PM   #12
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I posted a comment about the PTB delibretly encouraging illegal immigration
in order to maintain a steady supply of cheap labor.
None of you bothered to even comment.

My answer is of course Yes we have the right, to close our borders.
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Old 04-02-2004, 09:45 PM   #13
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Shhhh. what was that?
Did someone read a noise? I swear I read a noise. OH-NO! I think it's, it's,
it's, chiteng. Everyone post quietly untill it goes away.



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Old 04-03-2004, 06:57 AM   #14
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I posted a comment about the PTB delibretly encouraging illegal immigration
I assume you are talking about Mexicans.
Why are you so scared of them? Most of them are nice folks who are here to cause as little trouble as possible while making a few bucks so they can support their families at home. They take the jobs no one really wants, and if I or any American wanted one of their jobs the employers would drop them in a heart beat.
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Old 04-03-2004, 07:53 AM   #15
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Actually no. First I believe that if 'I' must obey the law, then so should EVERYONE else. No exceptions.

Second, It is a myth that they only want jobs that no one else will do.
That lie is promulagated by the employers who want cheap labor.
I say prosecute those employers.

Third, I do NOT believe it is the obligation of the United States to absorb
the excess populations of the world. Let them practice rationale birth control.
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Old 04-03-2004, 08:43 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by TalvaranRW
Noooo, at my school the foreign exchange students are so cool, some of those european girls are pretty cute and this one german dude is teaching me to dance. Hell I think their better than the stupid kids at our school.
Heh. You might want to ask him to tell you the difference between "their" and "they're" after dancing lessons some day.


But to answer the initial question, yes.

Heck, we can even control the borders of other countries.
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Old 04-03-2004, 01:06 PM   #17
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I think we should shoot every third white person, and let the beaners run rampant, that way I can commit any crime I want give the cops 40 bucks and get away with it. Gotta love that mexican justice system.
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Old 04-03-2004, 02:06 PM   #18
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Please don't post how these are nice people just wanting jobs. Tell that to the lady who lives four miles down the road from me who had her car hijacked, and her and her 14 year old daughter beaten in the process. Tell that to the rancher who just got shot at by an automatic and had his house torched because he told them to get off his property. Tell that to the Border Patrol agent down here who got shot in the ear a few weeks ago trying to pull over a vehicle full of these nice people. I guess your definition of "nice" people is a hell of alot different than mine. And don't tell me these are isolated incidents, they occur quite frequently, start looking into the percentages of how many are in the country, versus how many are in our jails, you will find it highly out of proportion with the rest of the population. Our borders need to be shut down. If we are going to look into a guest worker program, then they shouldn't be coming across the border anyway, right????
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Old 04-03-2004, 02:46 PM   #19
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Alauradana,
Damn. Where do you live? Thats messed up.

There are some areas across the river in Cincinnati that you don't
go to after a certain time. Usually when the dealers and druggies wake up.
But to live in an area like that without constant police protection
would be very unsettling for anyone.

This is exactly the reason I favor CCW/weapon permits. Ohio just recently
passed their carry law and the schools are poping up everywhere for
certification instruction. Some classes are so full they had to rent
larger classrooms to fill the demand. So far over 20k have passed the class
and are waiting for april 17th "I think" for their permits to carry.

I let mine expire and have to go through the course again.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:06 PM   #20
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Sounds like Texas..I know down around Del Rio they're having all kinds of problems like this. I live about an hour away and hear about it frequently. The illegals are desperate and act accordingly. Fortunately, Texas treats criminals like criminals and also supports the law abiding citizen's right to defend themselves.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:10 PM   #21
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Really, it's two separate issues... immigration isn't the problem, illegal immigration is the problem.

I'm all for legal immigration. Granted, I would prefer for them to learn english, but that's just a preference.

What I don't like and think something needs to be done about is illegal immigration. As well as all the "amusing" ways of gaining quasi-legal citizenship... by that I mean people who enter the country illegally just so they can give birth and thier child becomes a citizen. Also, citizenship by marriage should be dealt with. Those are the only two "loopholes" I can think of at the moment, but I'm sure there are more.

If you are an illegal immigrant, your child is also an illegal.

If you want to marry an illegal immigrant, go right ahead. I'd even go so far as to say it's ok for them to live in the country provided they are not using resources meant for legal citizens (such as medicare, welfare, etc), are not taking jobs needed by legal citizens... and thier right to residency terminates if the marriage ends. In short, they're your responsibility, you need to care for them. A dependant basically. Obviously that need not apply if they later gain citizenship through the proper channels.

Closing the borders to legal immigrants and visitors isn't really a good solution IMO.

Second part of the issue... the "illegals are taking/not taking jobs" one... it's true, they aren't taking the high paying jobs. Course, right now there AREN'T a whole lot of high paying jobs (it's getting better a little finally, but the job market is still flooded). But, they are taking the lower paying (service sector/janitorial/stocking) positions that could be being taken by US workers who are either temporarily not working in the high paying jobs they'd prefer due to recessions or what have you.

Also, they are placing a considerable strain (at least in my area, Southern CA) on medical services (especcially emergency room services). Also on schools according to an article I read a few weeks back in the local paper.

No comment on if they're responsible for increased crime... I haven't looked into statistics there.

Long answer... short answer is, No we shouldn't close borders to legal immigrants and visitors, yes we should kick illegals out as soon as they are found.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:17 PM   #22
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I can't really comment on illegal's. The mexican's we hire have green cards, SS cards or whatever else is necessary.
Most don't speak very good english and they don't work cheap. They start out at what anybody else would start out at in their position. I do know that they are some of the hardest workers we have in the field. They don't complain, they always show up and work overtime when needed.

I can see where these people might pose a problem in States closer to borders and out West, but here in Georgia they're not where the crime comes from.
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Old 04-03-2004, 03:29 PM   #23
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They should just kick everyone out back to their great great so on country of origin and leave the Native Americans here. That would deal with MOST of the crime from illegals, racists, etc...

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Old 04-03-2004, 03:42 PM   #24
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Deadscale,
Imo if we just had a better system of checking mexican records and
an easier screening process, we wouldn't have so many illegals here in America.
That is if we made the process easier. Kinda like the fingerprint system now
being used at our borders.

Besides that, the criminals from mexico will always sneak in one way or another
delivering drugs and stealing cars. Remember the war on drugs?, that was
and still is a failure. Funny we don't hear that slogan anymore.



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Old 04-03-2004, 04:06 PM   #25
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I remember how they fed us that crap "the war on drugs" during school with those school assemblies when we were in pre-k. Funny how the smart kids in my school are the ones now whom are all snorting/injecting, guess being "smart" worked for them, they aren't caught as often.

I guess the vibe I'm getting from reading that the majority of crime comes from illegal/legal mexicans is just irking me. Every race shares it equally, just that they aren't caught.

Jobs being taken away? They are plenty here in Edinburg. I always see someone new added at Wal-Mart when I stop by and they are still hiring. Hollywood Video, still hiring, Whataburger, still hiring. Not accurate on distance, but the border to Mexico is 30-45min away.
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