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Old 03-31-2004, 12:54 PM   #26
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So then, are you saying that President Clinton is "LIEING" when he said that Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people?
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Old 03-31-2004, 01:01 PM   #27
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Old 03-31-2004, 01:27 PM   #28
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Did any one else notice Bumble discounting documents in favor of news reports?

The implication being if its reported by the media it is more reliable than any direct documentation of said events. You dont find that perspective a bit off kilter?
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Old 03-31-2004, 04:14 PM   #29
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So then, are you saying that President Clinton is "LIEING" when he said that Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people?
That's not what I said- Learn to read oh ye of little cognizance.
Your claim is that Hussein TESTED and tortured his people with Chem Weps. That is not proven. Its not known that the Chem Weps were his or not. If Clinton said he used Chem Weps on his own people then he is not telling the truth. I would like to see where he said that though. Are you simply assuming that Clinton said that or do you have something to sink our teeth into.
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Old 03-31-2004, 04:23 PM   #30
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If Clinton said he used Chem Weps on his own people then he is not telling the truth.
Is there a difference between not telling the truth and "LIEING"?
Both Bush and Clinton acted due to George Tenet and CIA intel on Iraq WMD. Who is the liar here? both ? none?
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Old 03-31-2004, 06:30 PM   #31
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It's like this Chuk,
If I told Bush I was crippled, and then Bush told the media
and made a report on it, then it turned out I wasn't crippled.
Then Bush is a liar in the eye's of anybody that has an
agenda, or are brainwashed.



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Old 03-31-2004, 06:41 PM   #32
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
That's not what I said- Learn to read oh ye of little cognizance.
Your claim is that Hussein TESTED and tortured his people with Chem Weps. That is not proven. Its not known that the Chem Weps were his or not. If Clinton said he used Chem Weps on his own people then he is not telling the truth. I would like to see where he said that though. Are you simply assuming that Clinton said that or do you have something to sink our teeth into.
Ok prepare for saying Clinton lied Bumble:

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such weapons against his own people and against his neighbors

From a speech in December 1998, to help justify continued strikes by US and British forces on targets in Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/
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Old 03-31-2004, 08:25 PM   #33
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" If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained." taken from the article posted by Crimson.

There is the context for the actions in Iraq many seem to be over looking. In a post 9/11 world does any one think it unreasonable to protect ourselves and our allies?
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Old 03-31-2004, 09:40 PM   #34
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Saddam never had WMDS!
Saddam was a god fearing man that deserved to hold power.
Saddam's sons were just children that got into trouble.
Saddams sons did not deserve to die because they were in line to take over Iraq.
Saddam never had anybody killed that didn't deserve it.
Saddam loved his citizens and proved it by killing those who hated him.
Saddam was just a poor man living in a rich mans body.
Saddam deserves to be placed back into power because only he can defeat his own people.
Saddam built bunkers because America was the only country on the planet that wanted to kill him.
Saddam was found in a hole of dirt because he was on vacation from organizing raids.
Saddam placed his son in prison for torture because Saddam loved his son.
Saddam should be Kerry' VEEP according to the supporters of terrorism against America.



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Old 04-01-2004, 03:52 AM   #35
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The fact that Saddam Hussein is a bad man has never been in doubt. This thread is not about Saddam Hussein. It is about Weapons of Mass Destruction and the usage of these weapons as an excuse to go to war.

To this day I might remind you weapons of mass destruction which have yet to be found.

If you want to discuss how bad Saddam Hussein is start yet another thread and I'll agree with you.

If you want to try and prove that George W Bush isn't some ignorant arsehole who ignored the threat of Al Qaeda because he was insistently focused on Iraq start another thread and I'll disagree with you.

In this thread stop trying to avoid the very obvious facts with a smokescreen.
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What are the obvious facts? Tony Blair and british Intelligence also said Iraq had WMD. what about that?
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Old 04-01-2004, 04:18 AM   #37
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there are no wmd .. thats it.

and Bush will leave the White House because of the lie.
anyway .. he wasnt really elected .. so .. who cares exept the oil-industry.

..ooh... an Tony will be no prime anymore .. and Aznaar ...
gone already
that is what you get for pretending to know something and start a war.

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Old 04-01-2004, 04:19 AM   #38
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I would like to see where he said that though. Are you simply assuming that Clinton said that or do you have something to sink our teeth into.
Yeah, I have something you can "sink your teeth into". It's entitled "I ALREADY POSTED IT"! LMAO!!
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Here's another interesting article from the Department of Defense. Kinda makes you wonder if Clinton would agree with Bush's decision, since he stipulates that Saddam used weapons against his own people... - "Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said. The Iraqi dictator has used these weapons against his neighbors and his own people, he said, and "left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again."
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Old 04-01-2004, 04:21 AM   #39
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and Bush will leave the White House because of the lie.
anyway .. he wasnt really elected .. so .. who cares exept the oil-industry.
Sheesh, 4 years later and you're still in denial? How do you reckon he's been in the White House all this time if he wasn't really elected?
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Old 04-01-2004, 05:51 AM   #40
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What are the obvious facts? Tony Blair and british Intelligence also said Iraq had WMD. what about that?
Yep...there's more of a case that Blair lied then their is for Bush. However two wrongs do not make a right.

The majority of the US supported the war. The majority of the British were against it.
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Old 04-01-2004, 01:10 PM   #41
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Default Secret bunkers held chemical weapons, says Iraqi exile


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A scientist describes Saddam's weapons and stealth technology
programs, reports Russell Skelton.


For seven years, before he was tortured and sentenced to death, Rashid (not
his real name) worked at the top of Iraq's scientific establishment. He says he
regularly met Saddam Hussein and his cousin and strongman deputy prime
minister Abdul Tawab Huweish. After the Gulf War he was put in charge of a
taskforce code named "Al Babel" to develop stealth technology to make
aircraft and missiles undetectable on radar.


Rashid, who now lives in Melbourne, also claims to have had access as a
trusted insider to secret underground bunkers where chemical weapons were
stored. "Saddam gave me access to everything, he was so desperate to
perfect the stealth technology," he says.


Now Rashid's great fear is that Saddam loyalists still active in postwar Iraq
may get to the chemicals and weapons he saw hidden away before fleeing for
his life.


"If those weapons still exist, the worry is that they will be used against the
Iraqi people, the US forces or even sold off to al-Qaeda. Maybe those
weapons no longer exist, but I find it hard to believe they could disappear so
easily," he says.
Just another updated tidbit for some of you left-wing wacko's to
cry about.



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