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Old 03-27-2004, 07:05 PM   #1
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Default For Women only! Why not men?

Someone please tell me why this ban is for woman only and not men.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115166,00.html
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Old 03-27-2004, 07:29 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Caelie123
Someone please tell me why this ban is for woman only and not men.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115166,00.html
Because men have balls and make all the money?
*Shrug*


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Old 03-27-2004, 07:58 PM   #3
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I am just curious about enforcement. Will there be road side inspections? How will the crime be proven in court?
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:25 PM   #4
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Hmm. I've forgotten something.
OH! now I remember!

I need to go get my sack pierced. And I'm above the law because I am a MAN!
And you Fem's are excluded! Suffer you whores of socieity who burn men at every er um.

Darnit, this isn't fair. Piercing female genitals is the All American football team's Agenda..




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Old 03-27-2004, 09:21 PM   #5
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Caelie -- serious answer here.

The ban was enacted/voted on for females only because it was added/tacked onto a generic ban against female genital mutiliation aka female circumcism (sp?) -- which isn't to be confused with the relatively minor (if unneccesary) male circumcism.

At least that is the impression I got from the article you linked... personally, while I am glad for any bans on female genital mutilation (it's a revolting practice, IMO) I think the amendment goes a bit too far and is too "broad" in scope. What I mean by this is that, as far as the article gave information, it doesn't specify if it's illegal to have a piercing (in which case, what about people with one who move to the area from outside?), or if it's illegal to perform one (but not illegal to have it done elsewhere, which makes it a pretty weak law IMO), or even if it's illegal for a resident to have one, get one done, or perform one... in which case, as Shardmoon said, I am curious about enforcement.

Should there be a similiar law against male circumcism and male genital piercings? Yes and no. There does not need to be a law against male circumcism because, as I said, it's a relatively harmless procedure even if it is of dubious medical benifit. It doesn't negatively affect the person it is performed on to the best of my knowledge.

There does however, if this amendment against genital piercing for females goes through to become law, need to be a similiar amendment for men. If we can't "decorate" our genital region, they have no need to either IMO. Then again, I would not personally care to have my clit pierced or my husband to have his penis pierced... but then, I also don't wear earrings (and neither does my husband), have a nosering (same for my husband), a tongue/nipple/bellybutton/wherever else ring (and again, neither does my husband lol) and I see no likelyhood that either of us will desire to have any of the above performed at any point in the future. So really, the law (if I lived in the area) wouldn't affect me.

On the other hand, I object to "Big Brother" interfering in private life and private matters just as a matter of principle. The choice to get or not get your clit pierced is most definitely not a matter that needs to be legislated beyond making sure that practitioners run a safe and sanitary business enviroment.
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Old 03-27-2004, 09:23 PM   #6
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Well the genital mutilation is not correctly termed. It is basically akin to castration. It is practiced in some cultures. Basically the woman's clitoris is cut off so she can derive no pleasure from sex. It is a violation of all human rights according to most groups in the world that monitor that stuff. Outlawing it is the correct thing to do politically.
This law was put into place as the result of a Nigerian father who castrated his infant daughter. She is 4 years old now and has no clitoris.

By the way, one of the chief human rights violations of the Taliban was doing this same thing to women. They did it to grown women as well. In my opinion it is not only a violation of a person's body but I also believe it violates her civil rights. I believe this is a cruel practice that results in a life void of some of the pleasures that were bestowed upon us as human beings.
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Old 03-27-2004, 10:28 PM   #7
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I believe this is a cruel practice that results in a life void of some of the pleasures that were bestowed upon us as human beings.
/agree

Sex is for pleasure as well as reproduction. It was a gift to us, a way to come in close intimate contact with those we love and to show another side of our love for them. The fact that some people would do such a thing to any human being, female or male, is atrocious. It ranks about as low as those people with incurable STDs who knowingly have sex with uninfected people, for the express purpose of infecting them.

On the other hand....there are some people whose religion preaches that this is the correct thing to do. Some women voluntarily do this, I am certain, as some women voluntarily put brass rings around their neck to stretch it, even though this is proven to be damaging and nearly irreversible. It is a symbol of wealth and prosperity and fertility, in some cases, though to us who do not practice it, it seems barbaric.

Who are we to say what is right and wrong in other countries or in other religions? If we force those who willingly do such things to stop carrying out their religious beliefs, we are no better.

In the end, it comes down to choice. If the woman, in this case, chooses to have it done to her...then it is right. The man who did this to his four year old, on the other hand, is violating basic human rights.

Everyone should have a choice. It is really that simple.
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Old 03-27-2004, 11:20 PM   #8
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Brb, I need to fetch my violin.

This female thing started before any of you were born. And it was in
the old tradition of keeping women loyal. Yep.

Makes you wonder why the Feminazis care more about castrating men more then
stopping this perverse inhumane treatment of 2-4 year old girls.
And yes, they know all about it... Just ask NOW.

NOW should be all over this issue, and they ignore it. why? Who knows.
Maybe it's because if they travel over into another culture they will themselves
become victims. They have better thngs to do then worry about
a third rate country that allows such a practice.

Why not stay safe in America where you can hate men and
not get hacked up into chunky elbows, fingers, necks, and legs,
Or lose a clit.

Haiti? next.



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Old 03-28-2004, 12:21 AM   #9
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The question is, can you arrest a Pornstar who was known to have her clit pierced in either pictures or video? How do you know she didn't take it out right when when and if the bill became a law?
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Old 03-28-2004, 01:19 AM   #10
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Kulani Autumnwood said:
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sorry couldn't help it

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Old 03-28-2004, 01:37 AM   #11
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Wow.

I can see the need for protecting those who don't want to have it done, but banning it for consenting adults too? And while I don't normally jump on the feminazi bandwagon, I agree that this is a big fat double standard.

Yet another reason not to live in Georgia.
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:54 AM   #12
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I guess lawmakers are worried little Billybob will get his braces caught in Marylou's labial piercings.

Maybe they set off metal detectors...
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:18 AM   #13
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I guess lawmakers are worried little Billybob will get his braces caught in Marylou's labial piercings.
Think of all the multiple orgasms.
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Old 03-28-2004, 06:31 AM   #14
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I do live in Georgia and was trying to find some information on what prompted this. The bill passed 160-0 with no debate according to the article. Usually they talk about a bill they are trying to pass on the news a little before they actually take a vote, but this one was just out of the blue.

As conservative as I am, I still have to wonder why they find the need to legislate something like this. I personally wouldn't have any part of my body pierced other than my ears, but why should I or congress care if a woman (or man) chooses to mutilate her genitalia? Maybe they see it as a fad that leads to permanent and irreversible damage because somebody made a irrational decision early in life. Who knows?

I find it as revolting as the guy who chooses to pierce a number 5 padlock thru the end of his weiner, but then again who am I to legislate what a person can do with their body parts.

This bill is all foreign to me right now but perhaps more information will come out later and some of us will see that there was a good reason for the ban. Until then I have to sit back and shake my head at another right or freedom or whatever you want to call it that the Govt is taking away from the American people.

And Brigiid, I love living in Georgia. It's really a great State, but like all state's it has some weird laws.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:38 PM   #15
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Something tells me this amendment of the law hit close to home for Caelie.

I must say...I never pegged you as the freak Caelie but kudos to you on your edgy sexuality. Bravo

(oh, and this law is beyond ridiculous- simple conservative garbage again, nothing to see here...)
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Old 03-28-2004, 10:02 PM   #16
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Some over-zealous twit probably moved to have the anti-piercing part of the legislation tacked on at the last minute. Their daughter probably came home w/ a pierced clit and they found out and went apeshit.
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Old 03-28-2004, 10:08 PM   #17
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If it was any where but Georgia, I would wonder how they found out (in Fanons example).
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:38 AM   #18
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As conservative as I am, I still have to wonder why they find the need to legislate something like this. I personally wouldn't have any part of my body pierced other than my ears, but why should I or congress care if a woman (or man) chooses to mutilate her genitalia?
Some conservative attached the piercing part to this bill. It was intended to cease all clitoral castrations. There is a big difference between male and female circumsizing. The male is done for supposed health reasons and has little effect on him throughout his life. The female is done for chaste reasons and has much effect through her life.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:24 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Caelie
I find it as revolting as the guy who chooses to pierce a number 5 padlock thru the end of his weiner, but then again who am I to legislate what a person can do with their body parts.
Originally Posted by Hormadrune
Something tells me this amendment of the law hit close to home for Caelie.

I must say...I never pegged you as the freak Caelie but kudos to you on your edgy sexuality. Bravo
Once again your reading comprehension fails you again. Then again, you're probably just being your usual annoying insulting self. I thought you might have grown up a little after your break.
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Old 03-29-2004, 06:28 AM   #20
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This law is retarded for several reasons.

Women should have the choice to do this if they want to. And I'm not talking about female circumcision, there's a big difference between the two procedures.

How is this going to be proven? Like someone said before, will there be spotchecks? Is the law retroactive? Those who already have them from when it was legal will be punished as well? Or is it just getting it done? Undoubtedly, this law will drive people who want to get it done into an underground. They'll likely have little trouble finding someone who will do it for them. People who move into Georgia are going to have to take their rings out?

Give me a fucking break.
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Old 03-29-2004, 07:47 AM   #21
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Wow, not only are you an avant-garde piercing connoiseur (<---tongue-in-cheek alert since you have trouble keeping up), but you're also a humorless drone too! What a combo...makes me wonder if you ever get any joy out of life Caelie or if you're too busy being offended to notice the good stuff....
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Old 03-29-2004, 08:05 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by FanonFaythunder
Some over-zealous twit probably moved to have the anti-piercing part of the legislation tacked on at the last minute. Their daughter probably came home w/ a pierced clit and they found out and went apeshit.
Most likely.

Way I figure, if it's consentual, and won't hurt anyone else, knock yourself out. Yet one more way for Darwin to work his magic on evolution.
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Old 03-29-2004, 08:53 AM   #23
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Is it still illegal to buy beer on Sunday in Georgia too?
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Old 03-29-2004, 10:32 AM   #24
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Vireil local laws are what controls whether somewhere can or can not sell beer.
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Old 03-29-2004, 10:39 AM   #25
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I don't know about Georgia, but it is illegal to sell alcohol on Sundays in Louisiana, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were illegal in Georgia. It might be local laws that govern it, but if that's true it is a local law that has been adopted by all cities and all towns throughout the state, so what is the real difference? The law enforcement agency that does the enforcement...woowoo.

It isn't surprising that these laws exist in bible belt states. Any state where your religious zealots outnumber your normal people, laws like this are guaranteed to exist.

For example, in Louisiana, its illegal to have sex in any position except missionary. What, exactly, is the point of that law? If someone decided to take me to court for doin it doggystyle, I'd push a countersuit against invasion of privacy.

Thank god I don't live in the South anymore.
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