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Old 03-27-2004, 08:13 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by Itlum
As to which political party I choose to associate with, I remain strictly in the middle. I do not subscribe to the (1)dogma pushed by either party, and view each politician individually based on their stands on the issues that concern me. (2)I vote for laws based on how it would affect me and the people that I associate with, not based on how my "party" would vote.

(3)I am not a good Democrat. I am not a faithful Republican. I am neither Libertarian, nor am I a member of the Socialist party. Last I checked, I wasn't a Green either.

(4)So what does that make me? An individual.

God forbid.
(1) WTF is Dogma? Is that like poop?
(2) What is your party? Tell me(laff)what laws you've voted on.
(3) You're a very confused idiot being brain washed by either your professor or your mother. Ever read a NEWSPAPER?
(4) No. It makes you ignorant.



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Old 03-27-2004, 08:31 PM   #27
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I agree with you Bumb. Look at Itlum, only 5 posts. Also, how much brain power did it take to spell "multi" backwards? How can we 'connect the dots' as you say, when the dots keep moving, they keep appearing and disappearing? American politics is DYNAMIC, if you don't know what that means, stop reading in "Steam Vent", it is WAY over your head.

its dynamic alright, its a big stupid cycle.

if it isnt gay rights, its medical practices like stem cells, if it isnt those two, its a war, its all a big fake left right paradime and it has been that way for years, neather party has any clue on what they are doing, thats why i avoid picking partys for office, i pick people.

honestly i call it bread and curcis(sp?) like the romans had, keep the people stupid, fed, and enterained and you can get away with alot, that is how america has been presenting itself, if you didnt have any knowledge of america and you watched our news channles you would think it a very well done comedy skit
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:35 PM   #28
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oh and zol, this line

the reason he gets attacked so much as he brings up 9/11 and everything else just as much as his enemys do, people get enraged by his lies or half truths and they take the bait and bite.

is about the fact he uses terror, death, and images of 9/11 in his bid for re-election, he is using tragidy as his sword and shield, its like carrying around a dead child and waving it at the crowd as you speak on how drunk driving kills kids, its very insensative to the victims, and he has milked it far to long, he needs a new gimik(sp?)
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:43 PM   #29
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Nobody insulted me? Did you read half of what is posted in this thread?

You've never once quoted me except to insult me. See your above post for reference concerning me not being insulted. You haven't backed up your insults with proof of my being incorrect, nor have you once argued my point, merely my presentation. That says to me that you don't have a point except to draw "the libs" out of the woodwork so you can bash them. Wonderful tactic. Hope it gets you far.

1) Dogma:
1. A doctrine or a corpus of doctrines relating to matters such as morality and faith, set forth in an authoritative manner by a church
2. An authoritative principle, belief, or statement of ideas or opinion, especially one considered to be absolutely true
3. A principle or belief or a group of them: “The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present” (Abraham Lincoln)
(source = www.dictionary.com)

Obviously, the usage in my post refers to the third definition.

2) I don't belong to any party. I thought I had made this clear to you. When one belongs to a party, one is expected to vote along the same lines as this party. You receive various mails from these parties proclaiming their greatness and vilifying the opposing party. I've never liked mudslinging, and I don't want to be told how I should vote. I also don't want any one party to get a boost in numbers they don't deserve, even if the boost is by one. I do not vote based on party, I vote based on what is right by me, and this generally doesn't conform to one party.

3) I am not confused, nor have I been brainwashed. I've never had a political discussion with a professor where the professor was telling me how to vote or what to believe. My mother and father raised me to view every side of an issue and decide, for myself, what I should do. I never had a decision made for me concerning my political standpoint, and I was never once told what was right and what was not, when it comes to politics and law. Neither my mother nor my father, both well educated and very well off, belong to a political party. They do not vote along party lines, they vote based on what they believe is right by them.

I don't think I'll address your statement about ignorance. I think my post does a pretty good job of it, in its entirety.

Now, are you going to stop trying to insult me, and debate like a mature, thinking human being? Or am I going to have to ignore you as another raving idiot?

Please keep in mind, that is not an insult, just a question of your intent.
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Old 03-28-2004, 03:50 PM   #30
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Bush is not being attacked because he failed to prevent 9/11. He's being attacked for taking his eye off Al Qaeda (a known threat) and turning it toward Iraq (a known non-threat). He's being attacked for ignoring what his predecessor's warned him about, simply because he didn't like them. He's being attacked for distrusting his advisors, merely because they formerly worked for his enemy. He's being attacked for ignoring the everyday threat and focusing upon a grander scheme without any urgency. He's being attacked for not getting involved in the process until 8 months after he took office.

As for your "question" (if you really want to ask a question next time, leave out the pejoratives and diatribes), it didn't make any sense. What do you mean "do we want to be independent?" Meaningless. Try again.
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:01 PM   #31
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Dang. I like this Itlum guy.

Bravo.
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Old 03-28-2004, 05:27 PM   #32
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Welcome to the steam vent Itlum. I hope you stick around.

Maybe I should congratulate you on your 1,838th post? Hooray.
Almost 1838 posts of spam.
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Old 03-28-2004, 05:32 PM   #33
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Old 03-29-2004, 05:08 PM   #34
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Originally Posted by Itlum
3) I am not confused, nor have I been brainwashed. I've never had a political discussion with a professor where the professor was telling me how to vote or what to believe. My mother and father raised me to view every side of an issue and decide, for myself, what I should do. I never had a decision made for me concerning my political standpoint, and I was never once told what was right and what was not, when it comes to politics and law. Neither my mother nor my father, both well educated and very well off, belong to a political party. They do not vote along party lines, they vote based on what they believe is right by them.
Well said. We have much in common.

Originally Posted by Itlum
Now, are you going to stop trying to insult me.
Yes.

*Salute* Welcome aboard Itlum.


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