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Old 03-26-2004, 05:02 PM   #26
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Bumble,
I did read your link up to the point where, "Michelle Goldberg and Paul J. Caffera" said,
Even as moderate Republicans make gains in liberal states like New York
and California, they’re feeling squeezed by their own party. Elements of the
Republican right have declared jihad
That is a total fabrication. And very irresponsible to not back it up with facts.
Lies, pure and simple.

Thats ok. The race is 45/45 atm and your socialist special interest friends
are freeking out because they are scared.
Unlike those who have common sense
and stay focused on the truth
and facts.




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Old 03-27-2004, 04:13 AM   #27
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Zolmaz, the race is stated as 45/45. I honestly don't believe that will be the final vote though, nor do I believe that polls taken the day of the election will accurately predict the election. I think that the last election and 9/11 and Iraq are going to bring more people to the polls this time than ever before. I believe that this is basically not capable of being reflected accurately in the polls as they tend to sample based upon previous models of expected electoral participation. That isn't going to happen this time. That was also why Kerry was exceeding expectations in the early primaries.
We know one thing about this next election- The Dems are showing up in record numbers to the polls this year. That has been apparent at some of the primaries. What we don't know is whether the Republicans are going to bring more people out or not. There is thought that they have increased voters rolls in some areas. However, the Dems have also. It all comes down to the swing vote and which way they lean. Which surprises me why Bush is running towards his base so strongly.
I also don't think Nader is going to be a factor in this election. He lacks organization to effectively get on state's ballots. That plus the fact that I don't really believe he is going to actually keep the votes that are flirting with him. It is easier to route for someone in the polls but not actually cast your vote for them. Ask Howard Dean about this concept.
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Old 03-27-2004, 04:18 AM   #28
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If Clark is lying, in print, then the Pez can sue him.
Why isnt he doing that? or Is he?
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Old 03-27-2004, 02:22 PM   #29
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Bumbleroot,
The Dems are showing up in record numbers to the polls this year.
That has been apparent at some of the primaries.
8-10 percent turnout isn't record setting during the caucus. er maybe it is.

I also don't think Nader is going to be a factor in this election.
Nader who?


Chiteng,
It doesn't work like that bud.
Politics in the executive branch isn't personal,
it's just another day at the office. But lying under oath is criminal.
Lets just see how it all turns out. Both sides are keeping their distance.




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Old 03-27-2004, 05:07 PM   #30
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The Republicans have called for an investigation of his first testimony vs this last testimony, which they say are totally opposite of each other. If he is found to have lied under oath, yes charges can be brought against him. It takes awhile Chit before he can just be charged with something.

There is something else they are stirring around about, but I just heard bits and pieces of it on the radio. Something about he did 12 hours of testimony behind closed doors and the Republicans want those disclosed.

Somebody said in another post somewhere ( I think it was Lurikeen) that Clinton wasn't on the hotseat here, Bush was. I don't think Clinton or Bush either one are on the hotseat at all, but Richard Clark obviously let his personal feelings about Rice and the Bush Administration get the best of him, if he did indeed tell a totally different story after 9/11 than he is telling now.

That's where Clinton got in trouble. Lieing under oath, not from the affair.
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Old 03-27-2004, 05:40 PM   #31
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The Republicans have called for an investigation of his first testimony vs this last testimony, which they say are totally opposite of each other.
No they haven't said that. I heard Frist speak and also read what he said.
http://msnbc.msn.com/ID/4601195/
Frist later retreated from directly accusing Clarke of perjury, telling reporters that he personally had no knowledge that there were any discrepancies between Clarke’s two appearances.
What the Republicans have said is that the original testimony wasn't consistent with the spirit of the 9/11 commission testimony. This aligns with what Clarke said in the 9/11 testimony that he was asked to highlight the positive points in his first testimony. He chose to do that rather than be fired.
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Old 03-27-2004, 07:10 PM   #32
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The Republicans are calling for his testimony to be declassified to see if lied under oath from his first testimony. Wouldn't you call that an investigation?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115326,00.html
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Old 03-27-2004, 08:32 PM   #33
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Isn't Kerry a womans name?
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:34 PM   #34
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If a liar amuses you, Zolspaz, then more power to you. Miller has been pretending he's a Democrat for 20 years. He doesn't accept anything that's part of the Democratic platform, so how is it surprising that he'd support Bush? What earth shattering revelations are unloosed by Miller's saying what everyone has known for years?

It's no different than McCain saying he supports Bush. His record demonstrates that he couldn't do anything else.

Just because Zell has been pretending to be a Democrat, doesn't mean that there's some huge movement of disaffected Democrats out there, anymore than Jeffers demonstrated that there were lots of disaffected Republicans around.
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Old 03-29-2004, 09:19 AM   #35
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I disagree Raed, Zell hasn't changed, the Democratic party has changed. If any of you bothered to read his book he explains it in great detail. Oh, and he is just as harsh on Republicans as he is Democrats in the book, frankly he spends a lot of the book saying the "system" needs a change. By the word "system" I am refering to the way things actually get done in D.C., not the Constitution.
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