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Old 03-15-2004, 10:13 AM   #1
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Default What issues are important to you for the upcoming election?

Putting aside the media hyped gay marriage for a moment, since this won't be a campaign issues with both candidates being against gay marriage and for civil unions...

What do you think the important issues are this November?


For me, I am looking at:

The economy.
Stop exporting american jobs. Avoid having the EU embargo our tradegoods. Create more manufacturing jobs without redefining hamburger flippers as food manufacturers.

World Relations.
It's not cool that we are now the bully-enforcer of the world. Mend ties with some of our more strained allies.

Integrity of the President.
WMD.

Social Security solvency.
Privatize it or protect it legally. Either way, do something.

Balancing the budget again.
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Old 03-15-2004, 10:35 AM   #2
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First is getting all the scumbags who caused or enabled 9/11 .
Fixing the economy.
Easing gun laws.
Easing up on these "decency" laws
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:16 AM   #3
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1. Israel - We must be committed to this country and their security. In the Old Testament God made a promise that he would bless the nations that bless Israel, and curse nations that curse them. I believe this to be true. I don't want to be a cursed nation. You may think me wacko, but I believe this to be true.
2. Taxes - The lower the better!
3. Economy - The only fault I have with Bush is being "ok" with allowing jobs to move overseas. I am not as upset at this as before as now I see LOTS of new tech jobs opening up here in the Bay Area.
4. Education - Continue with the NCLB initiative. Allow vouchers! I send my kids to a private school, so I am paying twice...once for the private school, and once for the public school with my taxes.
5. Homeland Security - I don't believe we have to conform to the ways of the rest of the world so as to not be a target for terrorist attacks. If we conform, we already lost.
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:27 AM   #4
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The issues that are important to me:
  • Domestic Security
  • The economy (overall)
  • Job creation
  • Deficit reduction
  • Trade deficit
  • Outsourcing
  • Border security

The war on Iraq is diminishing as an issue for me, since we are there and I don't think there are any easy solutions for pulling out our troops without further destabilization of the area. My only concern now is to hear the candidates frankly speak to measures of how to protect our troops from the Shiites.
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Old 03-15-2004, 11:40 AM   #5
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:33 PM   #6
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Complete the war on terror.
Campaign Reform
Depoliticizing the Judicial Branch of Government
and of course my personal favorite... Term Limits
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Old 03-15-2004, 12:43 PM   #7
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Old 03-15-2004, 05:32 PM   #8
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I agree with Martigan. We must support Israel in everything they do. We'll ignore the naughty and nasty UN resolutions aimed at it for racism and social injustices, illegal occupation of foreign territory and just pay attention to the resolutions that involve oil-rich nations, towelheads and people named Habib.

We must support Israel as it's a shining example of a nation set up along racial and religious lines, a bit like that other beautiful example of conformist right-wing politics, pre-Mandela South Africa.

But we mustn't allow Israel to go the way South Africa did, no ma'am. Not at all...
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:06 PM   #9
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-Being that we are on the road to real economic ruin, the deficit is the most impacting issue on the table today. We need to pay our bills and have some money for the long haul. Which brings me to issue two...

-Health care costs are causing employers not to hire people. That and the rising costs are out of line. The health care industry needs to be regulated better.

-Taxes come and taxes go- its a non-issue. If one is truly responsible with their money, taxes really don't effect their way of life.

-Crime is on the rise again- so that will be an issue in 2008 unless something is done about it now.

-In the scheme of things, I honestly don't expect terrorism to be that truly impactful on this country. It is true that the attack on 9/11 was gruesome but for the amount of human loss that occurred we tend to not put that into perspective. In a sense we are overreacting by spending billions and making this as big of an issue as it really is. I am not saying it shouldn't be an issue, but it certainly doesn't rise to a national crisis. It is imperative to defend our country, but I'm not sure the old manner of conventional war is the answer to ending terrorism- the answer has more to do with an international effort against terrorism.

-Iraq is a real issue. Everything we do there effects our standing in the world and this has an effect on all future generations. Therefore, our relationships resulting from Iraq and our abilities to close the deal in Iraq is the most important issue regarding Iraq.

-Education is becoming a real problem in the US. But the biggest reason is a cultural malaise. We do need to fix some cultural issues, but that has to come from within the industries that effect our culture. I applaud the network execs for standing up and upholding standards within free air tv stations. (Hint-save it for cable). Parents now need to be involved in their parents lives more than before.

-Gay issues are not a national issue. They are state issues as an amendment to the Constitution will most likely not occur.
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:14 PM   #10
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Finding Osama.
Protecting America and our allys.
Killing every terrorist on planet earth.
Maintaining unemployment below 6%.
No tax increases. Period!


One thing we must remember though, priorities may change for everyone
as events and challenges are presented.




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Old 03-15-2004, 06:29 PM   #11
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I like Lurikeens, except for these 3.
  • The economy (overall) I think the economy is much bigger then the president and has little influence on it.
  • Job creation There are plenty of jobs, people are just too picky.
  • Outsourcing Outsourcing is the way of the future, better get used to it.

Thinking about it I would like a complete reconstruction of our school system, and I'd also like a hell of a lot more reseach into alternative fuels.
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Old 03-15-2004, 06:58 PM   #12
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Outsourcing is the way of the future, better get used to it.
I am not so sure about that. Manfufacturing jobs in the US are nearly gone. I don't think that America can afford to send its hightech jobs (which aren't just programming jobs) overseas.

There are plenty of jobs, people are just too picky.
This issue has been debated here over and over again and never has it been demonstrated that "people are just too picky". There are 15 million unemployed in this country. Last month only 21,000 jobs were created. Corporations aren't planning on hiring anytime soon. So, this isn't just about people being "picky".

I think the economy is much bigger then the president and has little influence on it.
The economy may be "much bigger" than the President, but don't be fooled by the idea that the President and his party don't have much influence on it. Why do you think that Presidents muck about with tax cuts, for instance?

Economic policy is usually driven by the executive branch. Such policies can (and do) have prfound affects upon the ecomomy.

Yes, it is true that the ecomomy, on a large scale, goes through cycles where it appears the exuctive has little influence, but we shouldn't be fooled by such an image, since that would be just as false as the idea that drilling for oil has no affect on the planet when viewed on a geological scale of millions of years.
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Old 03-15-2004, 07:25 PM   #13
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Why do you think that Presidents muck about with tax cuts, for instance?
Even though I think the president doesn't effect the economy much, it's nice to know that he is at least trying.
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Old 03-15-2004, 07:31 PM   #14
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Bush says his tax cut helps the economy. So either he is lieing to get votes or there is no reason for the tax cut.
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Old 03-15-2004, 07:32 PM   #15
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LUrikEen,
This is not a hate thread.
What do you think the important issues are this November?
How Difficult can such a simplistic guidline be to follow?
Stop trolling and make your post. Allow others
to do the same without being bashed.

Please? I said please


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Old 03-15-2004, 07:50 PM   #16
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I'm sure it did Bumble, but very a very small amount. I bet the tax cuts themself really didn't do anything, but the buyer cofidence it gave did.
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Old 03-15-2004, 07:51 PM   #17
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Should have a list of agreed issues and have people from the Emarr Board, present their sides/ideas and run for fake president, then vote!

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Old 03-15-2004, 09:24 PM   #18
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>>I agree with Martigan. We must support Israel in everything they do.

I never said that.

>>We'll ignore the naughty and nasty UN resolutions aimed at it for racism

There's racism everywhere. You'll find a much larger percentage of hatred for Israelis by Arabs in the ME than you will hatred for Arabs from Israelis.

>>and social injustices,

Can you name anything recent? I believe "civilized" countries have become a bit more "civilized" in recent years. Are you referring to crushing homes of parents of suicide bombers?

>>illegal occupation of foreign territory

Whose territory are you referring to? Do you mean the territory won during the wars? Israel already gave back the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt as part of a peace treaty that cost their (Egypt) leader his life. Maybe is Syria made efforts at a peace treaty, they would have gotten the Golan Heights back. Who occupied the Palestinian land before Israel? Jordan, Syria, and Egypt did! Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip, Jordan and Syria occupied the West Bank. Why didn't Palestine become a state from the late 40s to the 6-Day-War in 1967? Maybe it was because those three countries wanted to USE the Palestinians as a thorn against Israel? Jordan, Egypt, and Syria don't care squat for the Palestinian people, other than for their own political purposes. The people of Israel care more for the Palestinians than do those three.

>>and just pay attention to the resolutions that involve oil-rich nations, towelheads and people named Habib.

??

>>We must support Israel as it's a shining example of a nation set up along racial and religious lines,

Isreal is a secular nation. The percentage of orthodox Jews is pretty small in that country. Plus, not every country can be like the USA and be a melting pot of cultures. Is there something wrong with a people wanting to preserve their cultures?

>>a bit like that other beautiful example of conformist right-wing politics, pre-Mandela South Africa.

>>But we mustn't allow Israel to go the way South Africa did, no ma'am. Not at all...

Maybe I will use your loose reasoning and call you an anti-semite. I mean, you are speaking bad about Isreal....that must make you anti-semite.
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Old 03-15-2004, 09:52 PM   #20
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Martigan:

# 1955-1992:
# * Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid".
# * Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people".
# * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions".
# * Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria".
# * Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control".
# * Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees".
# * Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan".
# * Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250".
# * Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital".
# * Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation".
# * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation".
# * Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport".
# * Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan".
# * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
# *Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon".
# * Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon".
# * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
# * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon".
# * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon".
# * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty".
# * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon".
# * Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.
# * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces".
# * Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
# obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
# * Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon".
# * Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories".
# * Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
# states not to assist Israel's settlements program".
# * Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of
# two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return".
# * Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
# council's order not to deport Palestinians".
# * Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide
# by the Fourth Geneva Convention".
# * Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
# * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its
# claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".
# * Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported
# Palestinian mayors".
# * Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
# nuclear facility".
# * Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
# Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith".
# * Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops".
# * Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
# allow food supplies to be brought in".
# * Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
# and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon".
# * Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon".
# * Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut".
# * Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
# in attack on PLO headquarters.
# * Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
# its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw".
# * Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students
# at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops".
# * Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
# denying the human rights of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
# requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
# * Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians".
# * Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.
# * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
# at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
# * Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
# Nations.
# * Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of
# Palestinians.
# * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
# calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
# * Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians.
# * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians
# and calls for their immediate return.
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Old 03-15-2004, 09:54 PM   #21
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Great,
The thread has turned into another thread of hate, racism, anti-bush and
whatever else the left can think up to avoid the reality of other people.
While avoiding truth, and honor. And enciting arguments.

Grats for thinking you know it all, and debating is now down to a "F-U" you idiot!

Certainly everybody knows it all here. And your all flaming because, well, you
died 5 times in a camp this evening and you can't log in your cleric to res.

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Ok Martigan, now I get to have fun with your bullshit.

Originally Posted by Martigan
There's racism everywhere. You'll find a much larger percentage of hatred for Israelis by Arabs in the ME than you will hatred for Arabs from Israelis.
Gee, I wonder why. Who's the "native" tribe around your part of California, Martigan? How's about England give them your land you paid for? That'd put your punk ass out of joint, wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Martigan
Maybe is Syria made efforts at a peace treaty, they would have gotten the Golan Heights back.
Right. They have to be nice to the nation that *invaded* their land, confiscated it and refused to hand it over.

Originally Posted by Martigan
Isreal is a secular nation. The percentage of orthodox Jews is pretty small in that country. Plus, not every country can be like the USA and be a melting pot of cultures. Is there something wrong with a people wanting to preserve their cultures?
Israel is defined as a Jewish state. To be Jewish, Martigan, is to be a member of the Jewish religion. Jews are not a race. No more than Muslims or Hindus are a race. Judaism is a *religion*. Israel defines itself as a nation built on Judaism. As opposed to Christianity or Asatru. Jews, by default, have a right to residence and/or citizenship to Israel. Maybe Israel has revoked that in recent years, but that used to be the case.

The USA is *not* a melting pot. It has been described as a salad bowl. The US is far too inward-looking and insular in many of its views to be a universal melting pot. You can't base a nation's diversity on the cosmoplitanism of a few places.

As for preserving cultures; most definitely if it conflicts with moral or ethical norms. Cultural differences are the basis of all racism anyway.

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Maybe I will use your loose reasoning and call you an anti-semite. I mean, you are speaking bad about Isreal....that must make you anti-semite.
ROFL, this is coming from a fucking great example of a parent that *posts* his kid's anti-Arab racist drawings on a messageboard. Does your kid still call Arabs scumbuckets?

I'll give you a hint; Arabs are Semites. Their language is Semitic. So's Assyrian, Amharic, Maltese, Hebrew and a few others. This descendent of Shem bullshit is precisely that: bullshit.

No, I don't think Israel should exist. There are lots of people who deserve their own homeland. Look at the Kurds, for example. They've been in their part of the world as long (if not longer) than the Hebrews have been in the Levant.
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Great,
The thread has turned into another thread of hate, racism, anti-bush and
whatever else the left can think up to avoid the reality of other people.
While avoiding truth, and honor. And enciting arguments.
Bah, you just feel left out as you didn't start it. Back in your corner with your pina coladas!
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