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Old 03-10-2004, 11:55 AM   #1
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Default Bush: Soft on terror?

Iran slams US nuclear 'bullying'

Iran has accused the US of "bullying" the UN's nuclear watchdog into drafting a resolution censuring Tehran over its nuclear programme.

Iran's foreign minister warned that Tehran may end co-operation with the International Atomic Energy Agency if Europe did not resist the US.

Kamal Kharrazi also insisted Iran would resume its uranium enrichment programme after resolving its case with the IAEA.

IAEA chief Mohamed ElBaradei warned such a move could prove very damaging.

"Iran has been in breach of its (nuclear non-proliferation) obligations for many years and we need to build confidence," Mr ElBaradei said.

"I think suspension is a confidence-building measure and, as I said, Iran needs to do everything possible right now to create the confidence required."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/3497518.stm
C'mon... why isn't Bush enforcing UN mandates over WMD proliferation? Iran hates America, is a safe haven for terrorists, and they produce WMD. Where are all you n30-c0ns screaming for war against Iran who is likely to produce a nuke, or worse yet, enriched uranium to be used in "dirty bombs" targeted against major US cities?!

Is Iran too good for a war of liberation?

What is Bush doing?
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Old 03-10-2004, 11:59 AM   #2
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Is Iran being led by a madman? :b
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:09 PM   #3
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Yes, the Ayatollah Khamenei is squashing reformists in Iran so that his bunch of Shiite Fundy's can have ultimate control of the government.
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:11 PM   #4
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Didnt that happen already with their poor excuse of an election?
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:18 PM   #5
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Yes it did.
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:25 PM   #6
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Yeah, the Bush adminstration is pulling a "Clinton"?

The Bush administration had hoped the current IAEA conference in Vienna would wind up with the agency referring Iran's activities to the U.N. Security Council, where economic sanctions could be imposed to punish Iran.


But the administration decided on a compromise approach that defers action at the United Nations, in the hopes of attracting wider support from the Europeans as well as other countries, the official said.

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Bush had hoped economic sanctions could be imposed to punish Iran!!

Where are the n30-c0n talking heads pounding on this obvious lapse in the "get tough on terror" policy that Bush was said to have over Clinton?
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:40 PM   #7
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I read that article you first linked, it doesnt suggest we are soft on terror, there is a discussion still ongoing this week on what to do about iran, is Iran a threat to the US? they are pursuing a nuclear program but they dont have WMDs we know of. So i guess you were just going for shock value on your post title but your sources dont suggest anything of the kind, especially since iran is already crying about us 'bullying' them. The BBC isnt as bad as Al Jazeera, they actually base news on facts and not propgranda. soft on terror? how?
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:43 PM   #8
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The Bush administration had hoped the current IAEA conference in Vienna would wind up with the agency referring Iran's activities to the U.N. Security Council, where economic sanctions could be imposed to punish Iran.
So Chuk, you are claiming, contrary to n30-c0ns, that economic sanctions is getting tough with terrorist states who produce WMD?
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Old 03-10-2004, 12:56 PM   #9
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Any tougher and you'd label him a war-monger. I don't understand why you keep making all these posts. You obviously are not open to discussion, as you are adamant in your hatred of Bush. You certainly aren't "converting" anyone with your attitude, so what's the point? Sheesh, if you want to keep whining, at least try not to sound like a broken record.
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Old 03-10-2004, 01:04 PM   #10
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Even you conservatives have to admit, it's kinda funny that we went after Iraq, a country with no WMD's, no WMD programs, and yet when Libya, Iran, and N. Korea all rear their heads and admit they have WMD programs in place, Bush suggests economic sanctions, or talking.

Kim in N. Korea is 10 times the madman Saddam was, yet Bush doesn't dare invade. Why not? Is it because of Iraq's oil? Iraq's lack of a real military? No balls?

Any tougher and you'd label him a war-monger
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Old 03-10-2004, 01:14 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Wildane
Any tougher and you'd label him a war-monger. I don't understand why you keep making all these posts.
I make these posts because it is hilarious to watch you n30-c0ns go through the terrible mental gymnastics you do in order to defend Bush.

It is funny that the c0ns on this board jumped all over Clinton for being "weak" on Iraq, but now we have Iran who admits they have a nuclear capability, even threatening to enrich uranium if the US doesn't back off, and all Bush can do is ask for economic sanctions? In other words, the same thing that Clinton did!
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Old 03-10-2004, 01:20 PM   #12
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You know what's really funny? You spending all this time just to harrass some folks on a message board. Well, more pathetic than funny, but you get the point. Also, I never stated I was a neo-con, I only express my personal views. It's called free will, you should try it sometime.
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Old 03-10-2004, 01:30 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by Wildane
You know what's really funny? You spending all this time just to harrass some folks on a message board.
ROFLMFAO!!! Yeah, people can be harassed on a public game board that has an ignore feature.

Originally Posted by Wildane
I only express my personal views. It's called free will, you should try it sometime.
I have no issues with free will. You obviously have an issue with free association. You see, you are supposed to actually think through your responses before posting. You should try that sometime.


Edit: I have noticed that you are backing down on your usual support for the c0ns on these sort of issues, Wildane. Do you think Bush is right in this case, with Iran, and that Clinton was wrong for implementing similar policy with Iraq?
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:00 PM   #14
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Well Lurikeen

How about you propose what we the United States should do then....about the Iranian problem?

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Old 03-10-2004, 02:07 PM   #15
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Typical socialist thinking. Are you spending enough time in Canada Luri?

Just because we freed Iraq, we should do the same all over the world Right?
Just because some people are poor, everybody should be overtaxed and poor Right?
Just because you can't afford a SUV, nobody should drive a SUV Right?
*yawn*

There are protests going on all over Iran by the youth of the country. Why?
Because they want a democracy. Iran is only a threat to Israel and trust me,
they will not do anything. Isreal has nukes.

Besides, when has Iran invaded another country to take over the worlds
supply of oil? Never. Would you like fries with that?



This whole thread is really pointless when dolts refuse to accept All the
facts of a topic.




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Old 03-10-2004, 02:07 PM   #16
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Siafore, I happen to agree that sanctions would be the best route. However, that wasn't my point.

I want to point out the n30-c0ns obvious hypocrisy. They claim that UN sanctions will not work, and point to Iraq as the prime example. Now their number one point man in the oval office is doing exactly what Clinton (or any reasonable person would do) did.

So, which is it? Attack now, or impose sanctions and UN inspections?
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:12 PM   #17
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Iran isn't a threat even if they did have nukes. So big deal.
Fact is they don't need them. Let diplomacy do it's job.

And no, you can't compare Iraq to Iran with a straight face.


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Old 03-10-2004, 02:18 PM   #18
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Is that right, Zolmaz? Iran is not a threat? You are now walking away from what the point man for the GOP has claimed. Remember this?

Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction. Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature. North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens.

Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.

Iraq continues to flaunt its hostility toward America and to support terror. The Iraqi regime has plotted to develop anthrax, and nerve gas, and nuclear weapons for over a decade. This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens -- leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children. This is a regime that agreed to international inspections -- then kicked out the inspectors. This is a regime that has something to hide from the civilized world.

States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.

Bush 2002 SOTU
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:22 PM   #19
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God what short memories some of you must have. I guess that people must have forgotten that Iraq attacked Kuwait. Iran and Korea haven't attacked another country. Libya did Lockerbie and we bombed them for that, that country has been dealt with separately. There is no comparison, each country is different, each is a different set of circumstances and that is why they must be dealt with differently. It is called diplomacy. Oh and before you feel the need to post the definition Luri, here it is for you:

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1. international relations: the management of communication and relationships between nations by members and employees of each nationís government


2. skill in international dealings: skill in managing communication and relationships between nations


3. tact: skill and tact in dealing with other people
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:32 PM   #20
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I don't veiw Iran as a threat. There isn't enough information to make that
assesment. A few shock stories from the media isn't enough to sway
my opinion on the subject.

There are terrorists all over the region. Even in Israel. So what?
They are coming to us in Iraq from the sudan and we are Killing them.
I would rather us fight the battle there then here. The kurds are doing a great job keeping them out of Iraq also.

The citizens of Iraq want them stopped. Once Iraq is stablized
you will see a big change. Untill then we know hardly anything about whats
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:35 PM   #21
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Alauradana, Iraq attacked Kuwait how long ago? Yes, it has been over 10 years. Just how far back in history would you like to go in order to fish out information about one nation being an agressor and another not? You know, it isn't like Iran has never attacked another country ever, right?

However, the point isn't whether or not Iran attacked another country in their history. The point is that "Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror".... Not too long ago the c0ns here, and elsewhere, had ranked all over Clinton for keeping on the track of sanctions against Iraq (as started by Bush, Sr.) and said he was soft on terrorism. Now, Bush himself is proposing such a policy. Why aren't the n30-c0ns coming out and lambasting Bush for his soft stance on a terrorist state?

I think we all know why.
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Originally Posted by Zolmaz
I don't veiw Iran as a threat. There isn't enough information to make that assesment. A few shock stories from the media isn't enough to sway
my opinion on the subject.
Yet, this media mogul said....

Originally Posted by Prez Bush
Our second goal is to prevent regimes that sponsor terror from threatening America or our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction. Some of these regimes have been pretty quiet since September the 11th. But we know their true nature.

Iran aggressively pursues these weapons and exports terror, while an unelected few repress the Iranian people's hope for freedom.

States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world.
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Old 03-10-2004, 02:45 PM   #23
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Tell us why luri. You said we all know why. Please humor us with more
of your angry speaches.

I know you just love to blame the world on Bush. heh
Your so predictable.



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Old 03-10-2004, 02:56 PM   #24
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Oh lookie what I found,

Iran's Militia Smashes Women's Demo
BBC World Service - By Miranda Eeles
Mar 8, 2004

A gathering to celebrate International Women's Day in Tehran turned ugly as militia groups broke up what had started as a peaceful demonstration.

Members of the Basij volunteer group beat people with batons and pushed several men and women to the ground.

The authorities had tried to cancel the demonstration, withdrawing permission just hours before it was due to begin.


Demonstrators called for freedom and justice for women


Shouting slogans and singing freedom songs, several hundred women defied the ban and gathered in Laleh Park.


Intimidation

They had come to hear local activists' speeches on violence against women, to commemorate International Women's Day.

"We were supposed to perform different plays," said one local woman, "to show how women are exposed to violence and to show how women's voices are not heard."

"Now they won't even let us speak," she added.

Dozens of police stood by, refusing to let the crowd congregate and ordering them to go home.

After the organisers left, members of volunteer militia groups, the Basijis, arrived, some on motorbikes, others brandishing batons.

They tried to intimidate the crowd of men and women who remained behind.

There are reports that several people were arrested.

There are more reports like this if you look for them Luri.
See whats happening in Iran? Not such a world threat afterall.

OH and this one,
Iran Facing Censure for Nuclear Secrecy
AP - 9 Mar - 01:13:37 PM


Iran Facing Censure for Nuclear Secrecy
AP - World News (via Yahoo)
Mar 9, 2004


VIENNA - Resolving intense differences, the United States and key European nations on Tuesday agreed to praise Iran for opening much of its nuclear program to outside inspection while censuring Tehran for continued secrecy in some areas.


Both the Americans and Europeans accepted a draft resolution prepared for a high-level conference of the International Atomic Energy Agency after days of grueling negotiations aimed at finding the proper mix of praise and criticism.
Ouch. That one musta bruised your Ego Luri.

Alauradana made solid points and you just Hate to agree with anybody.
Facts are facts. I'm sure glad your a lacky and not some nut in
a power position.


Have a Wonderfull and Happy day Luri.




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Old 03-10-2004, 03:07 PM   #25
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I really think Luri is just trying to see how many times he can say 'n30-c0ns' in one thread.
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