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Old 03-06-2004, 06:54 PM   #1
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Default How Sad.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast....ap/index.html

I happen to like the Howard Stern show. It seems that free media is dying.

I think the biggest kicker is,
"There's a cultural war going on. The religious right is winning. We're losing."
People are closing their minds and suffocating in their own reality bubble.
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Old 03-06-2004, 09:28 PM   #2
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All over a fucking boob.
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Old 03-07-2004, 01:28 AM   #3
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You know, I like the Howard Stern Show, but what exactly are people closing their minds to....farting contests and drunk midgets?
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Old 03-07-2004, 06:53 AM   #4
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All over a fucking boob.
Yep.
but what exactly are people closing their minds to....
Closing their minds to anything that doesn't follow thier religion.
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Old 03-07-2004, 07:12 AM   #5
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When people tune into Howard Stern they know what to expect. When people tune into a football game on public television, I do not think they expect to see bare boobs. I think its rather sallow of Stern to blame everything on the 'religious right' unless he has some proof that there is a religous right organization that came after him and got him shut down.

The truth of the matter is that Stern is an example of an attempt to shup up anything that is "risky" or contraversial (sp), and could have more to do with shutting down the likes of Limbaugh and Stern. What is dangerous here is when the government can come in and tell you what you can and cannot say. I am sure there are just as many liberal left that welcome such laws as there are religous right.... both stand to gain and we all stand to loose.
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Old 03-07-2004, 11:19 AM   #6
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When people tune into a football game on public television, I do not think they expect to see bare boobs.
I hate to sound like an old curmudgeon but I remember when Football was a game and not a circus like it is today. Terrell Owens pulling a sharpie out of his sock that idiot getting a cellphone out of the goal posts steroids inundating games, one-upsmanship everytime someone does their job (score, sack, tackle, interception etc.) The sport is a joke nowadays as idiots try to pose for the TV. The NFL has allowed this idiocy to get out of hand. The Janet Jackson thing was the same shock crap the players have been trying to create for years except it was done by an entertainer.

Once people start realizing that shock isn't funny anymore or even much entertaining anymore perhaps they will focus on doing things right again.

I don't think that the radio stations should have taken Stern off the air. I think lack of ratings would have been a better way for him to lose his show.
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Old 03-07-2004, 12:28 PM   #7
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Huge Stern fan here, i was even a guest on his TV show back in 91. The FCC has been on his ass for about 20 years, up until now they were never able to take him off the air and i doubt they will be able to do it for real this time. Janet Jackson naked titty had no place in football, that is unless they were gonna use that scaly thing for the second half. Its a shame the uptight prudes are using Janet as an excuse to clean up media, which IMO didnt need cleaning up. I agree they should not allow janet to pop her titties out at a football game on national TV during primetime when kiddies are watching, not to mention what message that tells kids about how women are to be treated. I would have nothing against my son seeing boobs but there is a place and time for everything. Football is football, titties are for shows where you expect to see titties. Stern's show has never been a family oriented show its always (least in the 20 years ive been a listener) been about loud crass obnoxious tasteless humor and naked women acting crazy.

i predict they will try to take stern off or pressure the Infinity network to do so with fines and other methods but Stern generates too much revenue for that company and it would be cutting its own throat by removing Stern. They will pay the fines continue the lobbying and appeals and when all this blows over stern will still be around.
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I'm not saying that JJ' and JT's stunt was justified, but I think it's retarded that it's being used as an excuse for a shakedown.

One of my favorite radio programs is the Sports Junkies on our local rock station, which is under the Infinity banner. The "Word Police" as they call it have been cracking down hard on them for the last couple weeks, and I know a DJ on one of their sister stations was suspended for saying something recently, but I can't recall what.

Hopefully, one day, we'll all look back and laugh at this B.S.
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Old 03-07-2004, 02:54 PM   #9
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Our educational system is also being ruined IMO by over legislation by goodie
moms and PW dads. Yes and all those in between.

Socialism at it's finest and I doubt "many involved" even understand.


Forbidden words and the ridiculous "education" guidelines that forbid them.

BY DIANE RAVITCH .




To judge by the magazines we read, the programs we watch or the music lyrics we hear, it would seem that almost anything goes, these days, when it comes to verbal expression. But that is not quite true. In my book "The Language Police," I gathered a list of more than 500 words that are routinely deleted from textbooks and tests by "bias review committees" employed by publishing companies, state education departments and the federal government. Among the forbidden words are "landlord," "cowboy," "brotherhood," "yacht," "cult" and "primitive." Such words are deleted because they are offensive to various groups--feminists, religious conservatives, multiculturalists and ethnic activists, to name a few.
Yes there are nut cases on every side of the spectrum, I don't deny it.
But average words? Thats gone to far.


A textbook writer sent me the guidelines used by the Harcourt/Steck/Vaughn company to remove photographs that might give offense. Editors must delete, the guidelines said, pictures of women with big hair or sleeveless blouses and men with dreadlocks or medallions. Photographs must not portray the soles of shoes or anyone eating with the left hand (both in deference to Muslim culture). To avoid giving offense to those who cannot afford a home computer, no one may be shown owning a home computer. To avoid offending those with strong but differing religious views, decorations for religious holidays must never appear in the background.
Big hair? Owning a home computer? Looks like the old perfectionists are
leaving behind a wonderfull legacy. We should all probably be bald, and wear white robes so everyone looks equal too.
"Test developers should strive to identify and eliminate language, symbols, words, phrases, and content that are generally regarded as offensive by members of racial, ethnic, gender, or other groups, except when judged to be necessary for adequate representation of the domain."
Lets educate students to believe that the real world is a wonderfull and happy
place where nobody offends anybody. And if they do? Sue them..
Kinda stalinistic ya think?

And the kicker,
Like every other governmental agency concerned with testing, the New York State Education Department devised its own list of taboo words. There are the usual ones that have offended feminists for a generation, like "fireman," "authoress," "handyman" and "hostess." New York exercised its leadership by discovering bias in such words as "addict" (replace with "individual with a drug addiction"); "alumna, alumnae, alumni, alumnus" (replace with "graduate or graduates"); "American" (replace with "citizen of the United States or North America"); "cancer patient" (replace with "a patient with cancer"); "city fathers" (replace with "city leaders").
Read the page for yourself. Eventhough it is a book it also is something
that I am sure we all have witnessed or read about at one time.
The media doesn't concern itself with such petty educational
stories so I doubt we've debated the issue.


IMO clear channel has gone to far in firing Howard Stern. Really, if you don't
like his tabloid ways then change the station. Most kids are in class
when his show is aired. Tottal BS. I know kids that talk worse then Howard.

Also,
The Educational system is so far out of touch with reality
it makes education a totaly missused concept. Students should be ready
for RL not fantasy land at graduation.



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Old 03-07-2004, 04:15 PM   #10
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Yeah just like when Rush was bitching about being forced off the air by liberal media. Works both ways I guess
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Old 03-07-2004, 04:23 PM   #11
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Rush was never threatened by the liberal media to be taken off the air. Where did you get that from?
Hell, Rush is pissed off that Clear station dumped Howard Stern.

Now, what do you think about our educational system policing the
words in the textbooks? Chithead?



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Old 03-08-2004, 09:14 PM   #12
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Kinda like to think of this reaction as puritanically correct 'tunnel' vision: the world don't spin around to a schedule just because the sun rises every 24 hours, food don't grow just because people get hungry, and a normal everyday life isn't some guaranteed 100% consistent living program true to the day before it and the day before that.

Shit happens, always has and it always will.
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Old 03-09-2004, 04:40 AM   #13
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This has nothing todowith religion and everything to do with the desires of your target audience. Stern has become cliche, boring and predictable. His show can be summed up as bring some brainless porn star on, make her get naked, shove somthing in her vagina, laugh about it, make jokes about farting, bring next porn star on..wash rinse repeat...

Perhaps his audience was actually looking for a little more and the FCC is just helping us get it..
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This has everything to do with Religion. I mean come on it wasn't even that impressive of a boob. Its just amazing how close minded people get. Sorry folks, its a religious war over the TV, AGAIN.
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Old 03-09-2004, 06:29 AM   #15
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Doubt it. Huge difference between religion and vulgarity...learn it.
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Where's Frank Zappa when you need him?
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This censoring stuff that Clear Channel is throwing around with these 12-16 page packets explaining what now they don't want and do want is making my radio station's morning show less funny and entertaining.
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Everyone here plays EQ, so we should all be familiar with the nerf bat.

Witness the governments nerf bat in action.

The problem isn't Stern, or anyone else with bad taste, it's society realizing it fucked up 20yrs ago. Yeah, 20yrs ago when some dipshit decided that "time out" and "losing privledges" was a better detterent than tearing up some ass. I don't advocate child abuse, but in the effort to stop REAL child abuse, they created a generation of kids that don't understand consequences. And now parents are grasping at anything they can, in order to regain the upper hand. And if they can't "use" the upper hand, then the next best thing is to get rid of the bad influences in society. Hence the nerf bat........

Censor the music, censor the media, censor video games, etc...... But whatever you do, don't spank little johnny's ass.

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Everyone here plays EQ, so we should all be familiar with the nerf bat.
Make that "or played".
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From the http://www.lawmall.com/hs/

<H3>3/8/04 Intervention Proceedings by Attorney Carl E. Person before Federal Communications Commission to Stop FCC Efforts to Take the Howard Stern Show Off the Air

</H3>



<H4>First Published 03/07/04; Last Update: 03/07/04 18:30</H4>





<H5>NOTE: AS YOU READ THIS WEBSITE ABOUT TRYING TO STOP THE HOWARD STERN SHOW FROM BEING TAKEN OFF THE AIR, YOU MUST REMAIN AWARE, AT ALL TIMES, THAT THE MATERIAL YOU ARE READING CONTAINS ONLY ALLEGATIONS OF FACT, AS FILED WITH THE FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AS DISTINGUISHED FROM STATEMENTS OF FACT. THE TRUTH OR FALSITY OF EACH ALLEGATION IN THIS WEBSITE WILL OR MAY BE DECIDED BY A JUDGE OR JURY.</H5>


Side note, This is a very liberal veiw and in no way reflects anybody on earth.

According to the link.


Post,
On Friday, March 5, 2004, Howard Stern revealed to his listening audience that a decision has already be made to take him off the air, for various reasons.




These reasons become part of the papers by Attorney Carl E. Person to file papers in support of Stern seeking intervention in FCC proceedings in which the FCC have taken overt action which the FCC (or at least 3 Commissioners thereof, including the son of the Secretary of State) hope that the nation's radio broadcasters will take the Howard Stern Show off the air.

The 3 Commissioners have found a way to prevent any appeals from their decision, and none of Howard Stern's 18,000,000 listeners were consulted, including Carl E. Person.
Now the best part,
On March 8, 2004, Carl E. Person served (by mail) his papers to intervene, which papers can and should be read by anyone interested in how various civil liberties are being taken away (or being threatened) by having a radical group of Bush adherent seize control of what otherwise is supposed to be an independent, impartial government agency existing for all citizens, not just the "religious right" and other persons supporting President Bush for reelection
Haaaahahaha *Fall's off the chair* aaahahahah.

Blaming Bush is so sweet here. In that, these people have nobody else to
blame outside of themselves. Why not Bush? Afterall, Bush is responsible
for the WORLD! And anything that happens is BUSH'S FAULT!

Talk about a crib full of fucking crybabies. Go Stern! You've pushed it far enough
for the elite to handle.

Guess what? The Elite isn't Bush. It's the people your in bed with Mr. Howard Stern.
Buh Bye.


Perhaps this website will become the 5th on prosecutorial abuse.

I hope you all (Ya'll) got a laugh out of this like I did.

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I got a bigger laugh out of you quoting HTML and fucking up your bold quotes.
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Ulujain,
I got a bigger laugh out of you quoting HTML and fucking up your bold quotes.
So now your the HTML dork? Does substance to a post mean anything to you?,
or do you just dwell on Trolling the board and bashing HTML. Hmm?

You've read and understood the post. Move on . org little man.




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This isn't only an issue with The Howard Stern show (which I haven't been able to listen to since I moved out of Washington >< ). Clearchannel Comms. also removed the local (Jacksonville, FL) area morning show "Bubba the Love Sponge" from the air for doing the same things he's been doing for years....making Clearchannel their money. It's ridiculous..there was no warning, no "hey we can't let you do this anymore"..it was BOOM you are now fined a HUGE sum for 10 minutes' worth of material you've presented over the last 3 years....pay up and get off the air.


*squints*

Is that Big Brother on the horizon?
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House Passes Broadcast Decency Bill

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WASHINGTON — In the wake of the so-called "wardrobe malfunction" during this year's Super Bowl, federal lawmakers passed a measure Thursday to hit TV and radio broadcasters with heftier penalties for violating decency rules.



Before the bill passed with overwhelming support, House lawmakers debated the Broadcast Decency Enforcement Act of 2004 (search), which increases the penalties for violations by television and radio broadcasters for allowing obscene, indecent and profane language on the air.

"I think it's imperative that we get this bill to the president's desk as fast as we can," said Rep. Fred Upton (search), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet.

Current indecency rules prohibit over-the-air radio and TV stations from airing material that refers to sexual and excretory functions between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m., when children may be tuned in. The Federal Communications Commission (search) already has said it will begin fining broadcasters for each indecent incident.

Although the Senate and House bills boosting the fines were introduced before this year's controversial Super Bowl halftime show, the escapades aired that night were definitely the rallying point.

The halftime show ended with singer Justin Timberlake exposing Janet Jackson's breast to 90 million viewers. What was described as a "wardrobe malfunction" had media decency advocates, parents and others up in arms, especially since it was repeated over and over on public television, talk shows and news broadcasts.

"The halftime show was full of crude and sexually explicit performances," Texas Democratic Rep. Martin Frost (search) said on the House floor Thursday. "Throughout the day, we were subjected also to some offensive ads -- all this was going on in our gyms, our living rooms, places we gather every year to watch the Super Bowl."

Frost noted that one in five children were watching the biggest sporting event of the year during the bare-all performance, but said "we shouldn't be singling out the Super Bowl broadcast for our disapproval."

Radio shows, family-hour cable programming that toes the line between what's appropriate and what's not appropriate for kids and other outlets also need to be reined in, he said.

Upton, a Michigan Republican, introduced the bill on Jan. 21 and a week later, it won the support of the White House. The legislation has wide bipartisan support and nearly 100 members of Congress have co-sponsored the measure.

Other highlights of the bill:

--Raises maximum fine against a broadcast license-holder from $27,500 to $500,000.

--Increases maximum fine against a performer from $11,000 to $500,000 and allows the Federal Communications Commission to impose the penalty after the first offense. Under current rules, the FCC must wait for a second offense.

--Orders FCC to act on indecency complaints within 180 days after they are received.

--Mandates FCC to consider revoking license of any broadcaster found with three indecency violations.

--Exempts affiliates from indecency fines if the program was supplied by the network and the individual stations did not have a chance to review it in advance or, if in the case of a live broadcast, had no reason to suspect it could be indecent.

--Expresses the sense of Congress that broadcasters should set aside an hour in prime time to air family-friendly programming.

Rep Ed Markey (search), D-Mass., a main co-sponsor of the bill, chastised the FCC for not using the enforcement tools it has as its disposal -- such as revoking station licenses -- to be a more aggressive enforcer of current decency rules.

In fact, he said, testimony from FCC Chairman Michael Powell (search) has showed that cases from two to three years ago of broadcasters violating the rules are still languishing.

"It appears as though the industry has largely concluded that the FCC is a paper tiger," Markey said. "The rare and paltry fines the commission assess have become nothing more than a joke within the broadcast industry."

Some Democrats, however, said the bigger problem is the increasing amount of media consolidation, or fewer media companies controlling more programming.

These media giants are the "biggest offenders" of indecency, said Rep. Bart Stupak (search), D-Mich.

"There's no question that indecency in the media is a disease that's infecting all of society," said Rep. Maurice Hinchey (search), D-N.Y. But this bill deals "only with the symptoms of the problem and not with the underlying cause," which, he said, is having fewer owners of the airwaves.

"The fact is, higher fines are going to do nothing," added Rep. David Obey (search), D-Wis., saying more local ownership of television stations is what's most needed.

"If you really want to do something to give communities the ability to stop this nonsense, you will take away from the FCC the ability to put broadcast power in the hands of a few corporations ... people don't want to see this garbage."

The bills are S. 2056 and H.R. 3717.

Edward O. Fritts, president of the National Association of Broadcasters, noted that the industry has already scheduled an indecency summit for March 31.

"Voluntary industry initiatives are far preferable to government regulation when dealing with programming issues," Fritts said. "NAB does not support the bill as written, but we hear the call of legislators and are committed to taking voluntary action to address this issue."

Clear Channel Communications, the nation's largest radio station chain, touted its own actions.

The company now has a 20-second delay for live broadcasts, announced new standards for its programs, suspended its broadcasts of the Howard Stern show (search) and fired the disc jockey known as "Bubba the Love Sponge," (search) whose programs brought the chain a record $755,000 fine for indecency.

"We hope never to face these higher fines because of the strong policy we've put in place," said executive vice president Andrew Levin. "To the extent it provides an incentive for other broadcasters who have not adopted voluntary guidelines to comply with the law, it may be a good thing."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113951,00.html


If you notice its not just the religious right or republicans doing this its republicans and democrats censoring the airwaves.
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Half a million dollars for every single thing the FCC doesn't like... the power is going to go even more to their heads... you know... more so than it was before, and it's already pretty fricken insane.
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