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When is getting married a right? And why should my state that does not allow same sex marriage be forced to recognize another a marriage that is 1) illegally obtained 2) not valid by my states laws.
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Originally Posted by Flub Man
When? The moment you honestly ask yourself whether or not government should be able to tell us who can and can't get married.
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Originally Posted by Really REAL Axis of Evil Member Brother Flub
1) The debate is still open on the legality of how the marriages were obtained.
2) Do you honestly want states to stop recognizing the laws of other states? In Oregon and Alaska there's no state sales tax. Legal residents of those states aren't required to pay state sales tax in any other state regardless of the taxes in that state. Should something like this change too? If so, what's next? There's a very slippery slope lined with banana peels waiting to get stepped on here.
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The reason why we have state senate is becuase each state doesnt always recognize the other states. If everyone was in agreement then we would not need a state senate.
The law is the law, if you dont like the law lobby to have it changed like every other special interest group. If we stop abiding the law becuase we just dont feel like it then our civilization breaks down. You dont bully city offices to give into demands just becuase you really really really want something. |
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People who perform straight acts dont need to be married, you dont need to marry some chicks hairy snatch to be accepted in society. whats next? straight boy scouts? straight churches? straight education in school? straight history month? Oh wait, those pretty much already exist...well except for the history month...but then why take a month when it's pretty much everyday as it is.
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Question....
If the government legalized same-sex marriages, with all the rights and priveleges of a hetero, even having the marriage recognized by other states, but allowed the various religious institutions to determine whether they would or would not perform the ceremony and recognize the marriage, would that make you conservatives happy? |
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You're right that is a fun game, lets keep playing.
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Originally Posted by Ghie
Marriage laws for the state of New York
"In order to get married, you need to apply and receive a marriage license. This is the document in your state that allows you to officially tie the knot under the law." And to get your license... "The application for a license must be signed by both the bride and groom in the presence of the town or city clerk." Next thing you know, people will want the right to marry their sheep.
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Originally Posted by Trith
Could you explain where marriage is part of a "basic fundamental" of society? Please feel free to use documention to support your statements.
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As an answer to Veo....... sure... I would be all for it... if they called it something other than marriage.
The question is, is the union between 2 people that love each other the point, or is it about forcing people to compromise their personal beliefs regarding homosexuality? So whats it gonna be? A compromise or a holy war? You get what you want (legal recognition of gay unions).
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Trith, thanks for letting me know that you are pulling shit out of the air and stuffing it up your ass; in other words, you know jack shit about what you are writing about with regard to "the basic fundamentals of society".
Of course, you could always entertain all of us by trying to explain just what the hell you mean by "basic fundamentals of society".
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But liberals would probably settle for my proposed situation. But people like Trith still won't give that inch. |
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Originally Posted by Wildane
This has been my point all along. If we take away the people's ability to draw a distinction; if we put in place arguments that have no boundries, then we have established a free-for-all in law where there are no restraints and no boundries.
When liberals tell us "Hey, who are YOU to say what is right and what is wrong?" or if we 'allow' just this one instance, man and man - woman and woman, what is not seen is that our right to define as a nation and majority has been taken away from us. And here is the scarry thing about it... they just dont give a fuck about any long-term ill effects of this situation.. all that matters is that they get their way today. .. we will worry about tomorrow tomorrow. Then comes tomorrow and we have brothers wanting to marry sisters. We have first cousins wishing to get married.. Now thanks to the 'logical' and morally void arguements we accepted in the cases of gay marriage, we have no 'turtles all the way down' to stand on.
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What's right or wrong is a subjective thing. Some things are agreed on by a lot of people, but some aren't.
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Originally Posted by Humbert Humbert
That is correct. There are already no turtles all the way down to stand on.
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You people bring amorality and illogical thought to a whole new level- When does the neo-con Christian right-wing conduct their mass-suicide like all good cults of fruitcakes?
I want to dress festively.
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We as a majority should be able to establish what we agree is right and what is wrong. .. but thats not the case here. What the left wishes to do is make it subjective so that arguement is out of the way...and there isnt anything else to argue over. ..they win, get their way, and move on to the next 'subjective' issue. It is the majority's ideals of right and wrong that are reflected in our law books... but suddenly now we are answering to a 'higher plane of thinking' where we may not address issues as right and wrong.
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