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Old 02-13-2005, 07:19 AM   #1
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...covering_woman

You know...this lady could have had her feeding apparatus taken away from her as well.

Scantlin's doctor, Bradley Scheel, said physicians are not sure why she suddenly began talking but believe critical pathways in the brain may have regenerated.
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Old 02-13-2005, 07:44 AM   #2
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Hmm, for some reason I thought this was gonna be a link to a porn pic.

The drunk driver served six months in jail even with leaving the scene of an accident tacked on. GO GO, DUI justice.
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Old 02-13-2005, 08:07 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Martigan
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...covering_woman

You know...this lady could have had her feeding apparatus taken away from her as well.
"For years, she could only blink her eyes — one blink for "no," two blinks for "yes" — to respond to questions that no one knew for sure she understood."

Not quite the same as other situations seem to be, if you're referring to other Florida cases for example. Of course, it's a rough situation trying to decide how long to keep someone in that situation alive. I couldn't tell from the story just how bad off she was, but she was in a nursing home, although apparently unable to eat. I'm glad she has recovered as much as she did, even if she's still likely to spend her remaining years stuck in that home.
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Old 02-13-2005, 08:22 AM   #4
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I think there's a big difference between someone who's truly a vegetable, and someone who's able to attempt some form of communication or interact with the world around them. I can certainly see why her family kept fighting, especially given that she was so young when it had happened, and theoretically had 60 or so years of life ahead of her for things to improve. It's a remarkable story, nonetheless.
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Old 02-13-2005, 10:26 AM   #5
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Aye, truly a miracle. It's so nice to see positive news in the media for once. Refreshing, actually. I hope she will continue to recover, and maybe even get out of the nursing home.
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Old 02-13-2005, 12:01 PM   #6
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while i am happy for the family.


Findout out how this ladys brain managed to regenerate damaged brain tissue should be looked at as close as they can.
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Old 02-13-2005, 04:30 PM   #7
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Aye, truly a miracle. It's so nice to see positive news in the media for once. Refreshing, actually. I hope she will continue to recover, and maybe even get out of the nursing home.

I don't really mind that you consider it a miracle, but personally I wouldn't call it much of a miracle. It took 20 years for her to be able to speak, and she's still basically a helpless invalid, likely for life.
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Old 02-13-2005, 05:56 PM   #8
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Old 02-13-2005, 06:05 PM   #9
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Your glass is half full of pee, isn't it?

It's very interesting that you jump to that conclusion. Have you had this fixation on pee for very long? What do you remember of your potty training? Did you have any significant bed-wetting or public bladder control incidents?

As to your implied insult on my view of life, no, I'm very skeptical but I still see this lady's partial recovery as a good thing. I don't see why you can't understand my point that the almost automatic response by some people that these things are "miracles" is severely lacking in reality. It's not much of a miracle by any measure, not the least of which is the twenty year delay. If anyone chooses to believe it was God's work, go ahead, but I'm sure not going to take it seriously. In someone's hospital room I'd likely keep mum rather than contest what I consider a silly view, but on a message board among people who don't know the lady, I don't feel the need for such polite restraint.
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Old 02-14-2005, 12:59 AM   #10
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Well... its Florida. Our brain wave measuring tools are a bit dusty. Theres a good chance she wasnt really injured in the first place. A legal settlement is better than hitting the lottery to people down here, with less taxes.
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im not up on US taxes. does the irs get a chunk from court settlements? its it considered income?
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It's not much of a miracle by any measure, not the least of which is the twenty year delay.
I guess it all depends on your perspective.

To the family who probably thought she might never recover, finally hearing her speak again might be the greatest thing that's happened to them in a really long time. Seeing signs of improvement in one area might give them hope that other improvements are possible in other areas. It might give them some sort of relief knowing that 20 years of hope and faith paid off for them. What if they'd considered "pulling the plug" before, thinking she'd never recover, and now she's showing some sign of recovery?

Look at what she's saying. She's happy. Look at what the family's saying. They're happy. The medical professionals that worked with her seem stunned/surprised/whatever at her progress. They all seem to consider it remarkable.

But to you, uninvolved message board skeptic that you are, your biggest contribution to the subject is, "Big woop, it took 20 years. Miracle my ass."

So yeah, I called you a pessimist. What do you care? You're just an anonymous internet tough guy. No need to get your panties in a twist, eh?

And who said anything about God? A wee bit sensitive in that area, aren't you?
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Old 02-14-2005, 06:49 AM   #13
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I guess it all depends on your perspective.

To the family who probably thought she might never recover, finally hearing her speak again might be the greatest thing that's happened to them in a really long time. Seeing signs of improvement in one area might give them hope that other improvements are possible in other areas. It might give them some sort of relief knowing that 20 years of hope and faith paid off for them. What if they'd considered "pulling the plug" before, thinking she'd never recover, and now she's showing some sign of recovery?

Look at what she's saying. She's happy. Look at what the family's saying. They're happy. The medical professionals that worked with her seem stunned/surprised/whatever at her progress. They all seem to consider it remarkable.

But to you, uninvolved message board skeptic that you are, your biggest contribution to the subject is, "Big woop, it took 20 years. Miracle my ass."

So yeah, I called you a pessimist. What do you care? You're just an anonymous internet tough guy. No need to get your panties in a twist, eh?

And who said anything about God? A wee bit sensitive in that area, aren't you?

I'm sure it's a great and wonderful experience for the family involved. I was responding to Offem, not the family. In no way do I diminish the importance of the event to the family, but from the perspective of the world at large, it's a small recovery that leaves the woman in a very bad condition.

As for God? Well, usually miracles are attributed to God, or an agent of God. If you don't think that's a fair connection on my part, I'd love to hear your alternate interpretation, but I consider mine reasonable and overwhelmingly standard.

You can call my response pessimism, whereas I prefer to consider it realism, and I ascribe rose-colored fantasy vision to the miracle crowd. I'm sure that vision is more pleasant than mine, but I think mine is more rational. I prefer to separate my fantasy and reality as much as possible. I freely admit I could be wrong, but I do try to see what's there with as little filtering by my preconceptions as I can manage.
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Old 02-14-2005, 07:14 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by Gauche
It's not much of a miracle by any measure, not the least of which is the twenty year delay.
Well, considering brain cells are irreplacable, I'd say regenerated pathways in the brain is a miracle no matter how long it takes. Besides, not all definitions of the word miracle include divine intervention.
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:09 AM   #15
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Gauche,

I say the word miracle to describe something that medically and scientifically can not be explained. Sure, we know that some cells of her brain regenerated and that effected her ability to speak. However, the doctors are not sure how or even why that happened. Her family has kept faith that she will eventually recover, and stood by her through this terrible time. Defying the odds against her, yes, I call that a wonderful miracle, for all involved. I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but there are people like you out there who have to have an actual definitive explanation for why things happen. The truth is though, that sometimes, there are no real explanations for these types of recoveries; it just happens. An act of God? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But it's still a miracle. Whether you choose to accept that or not, well, that's your choice. But what else would you call it then?
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Old 02-14-2005, 10:15 AM   #16
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Your glass is half full of pee, isn't it?
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I say the word miracle to describe something that medically and scientifically can not be explained. Sure, we know that some cells of her brain regenerated and that effected her ability to speak. However, the doctors are not sure how or even why that happened. Her family has kept faith that she will eventually recover, and stood by her through this terrible time. Defying the odds against her, yes, I call that a wonderful miracle, for all involved. I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but there are people like you out there who have to have an actual definitive explanation for why things happen. The truth is though, that sometimes, there are no real explanations for these types of recoveries; it just happens. An act of God? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. But it's still a miracle. Whether you choose to accept that or not, well, that's your choice. But what else would you call it then?

I'd call it a good thing. Still, if there are going to be miracles, I want glowing angels and trumpets and for her to jump out of bed and break dance while singing the national anthem. Instead of that, she's still stuck in a nursing home with numerous physical problems. So yes, I jumped rather excessively on your most likely innocent off-hand comment. Still, it was fun - rather like the commercial where the guy uses a flame thrower to kill a dandelion. "Hello dandelion..." <fwoosh>

I don't have to have a rational explanation, but I won't chalk it up to supernatural origin either. How about UHE, Unidentified Healing Event?

Even though I don't believe in God, my expectations for His miracles are apparently a lot higher than the believers.
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I say the word miracle to describe something that medically and scientifically can not be explained.
Believe in the miracle of the flat earth!
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You really can't measure the magnitude of a miracle. No, she isn't jumping up and down yet, but maybe one day she will. Even though it took 20 years for her to talk, it still happened. You really can't set a limit or a standard to these types of things. She's talking. That's a very big thing in her case. I do understand what you are saying though, and I respect your point of view. Would it be safe to say though, that if you don't believe in God, and yet you associate miracles with God or a saint perhaps, then maybe that is why you don't believe in miracles? I can understand that, I suppose.

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It is flat!! I can't explain scientifically why it appears round, but it is a miraculous show of the supreme being's power over us! It's a miracle!
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You really can't measure the magnitude of a miracle. No, she isn't jumping up and down yet, but maybe one day she will. Even though it took 20 years for her to talk, it still happened. You really can't set a limit or a standard to these types of things. She's talking. That's a very big thing in her case. I do understand what you are saying though, and I respect your point of view. Would it be safe to say though, that if you don't believe in God, and yet you associate miracles with God or a saint perhaps, then maybe that is why you don't believe in miracles? I can understand that, I suppose.

Luri, the Earth is round. WAKEY WAKEY!!

Actually, the Earth isn't round.

I don't believe in miracles, per se, but I would love to be able to do so. Sure, I'm probably cynical enough that I would require that the miracle happen in front of about twenty different major media camera crews and little brochures by the cherubim outlining the different aspects of the miracle in question. And even then, I'd probably only rate it a "maybe".
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LOL that's right, it's square
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