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Originally Posted by Drysdale
Yeah, it does. The executive order temporarily blocks the deportation of people that, quite frankly help the country, while Congress gets off its obstructionary ass and solves the problem... of course that isn't happening... you have Republicans pissing and whining while doing nothing. They voted down the DREAM ACT... and proposed?![]()
Oh yeah, nothing, they are the party of "No" and bitch and whine because nothing is happening. Just like they voted down the Act to bring jobs back from overseas. They are worthless and intentionally harming America for political opportunity. Although it is *possible* that the Dems wouldn't stonewall Romney quite as hard as The Reps have Obama. Since he does flip flop, he might be more willing to compromise... it depends if he can keep the radicals under some control. Otherwise, it'll be 4 more years of gridlock. (Unless Reps win another supermajority... in which case, the country will be sold off to the highest bidder). Last edited by Pinkheart; 09-05-2012 at 11:19 AM. |
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Originally Posted by Pinkheart
No we need a leader who agrees that they should not be here, and enforces the existing laws.![]()
Never reward a law breaker. NEVER
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
Yeah, except kids that grew up here aren't the law breakers. People serving in the military have earned their stay, imo.![]()
That is who the deferral protects. It isn't a wholesale deferral, afaik. I am all for starting to enforce and securing the border... for all the whining, I haven't seen that proposal. Both parties support criminals... just different types. |
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Originally Posted by Pinkheart
So since Congress didn't make the law you want, it's OK to ignore Congress and make your own law? Because that's exactly what Obama did. It's not Obama's job to create laws. It's his job to carry them out, whether or not he likes them. That's the job of the executive branch, and he's botched it. Purposely. And you know it, and you're tap dancing like a fucking mule to try and justify it. You aren't even convincing yourself here. And all you're proving is that you have nothing but disdain for the Rule of Law.
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Originally Posted by Drysdale
Umm, he didn't create a law. I think you are mad because you are clearly confused about what happened. I would be mad, too if he just started creating laws.
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Originally Posted by Pinkheart
Your point? Why am I obligated to support children that I did not have anything to do with the creation of?![]()
That is the job of the PARENTS. If a man robs a bank, and gives the money to his kids.....you say they get to keep it. I say, it is taken away from them, and returned to the owner. Your compassion blinds your objectivity. I am NOT obligated to support the worlds children. If I choose to try, that is a private decision. It is not coerced. You want to coerce all the other citizens, to support the decisions of criminals.
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Originally Posted by Pinkheart
Yes, in essence, he did. That's the whole fucking point. Congress didn't pass the provisions of his Dream act, so he went around their intent and enacted those provisions via Executive Order. ![]()
How does Obama have the authority to grant legal status to someone who didn't have legal status before he signed that EO? According to the laws on the books, that person had no legal right to be here. Now he or she does. That's a law, no matter how hard you hope for change. So no, you aren't mad that he's started creating laws.
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Originally Posted by Drysdale
But he can't change their legal status and the waiver doesn't do that. ![]()
It's like a drug program that offers rehab to users and someone ordering that people showing up to the program won't be arrested... it provides cover so that those that the program/service exist to help can access it. It isn't a wholesale waiver, it is targetted in who it helps... and it helps those groups that both parties agreed should be prioritized. |
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