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Old 07-01-2009, 08:11 AM   #1
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Default Yet another failure of Big Government

Bear with me a minute on this:

Didn't we used to go out and shoot off fireworks ourselves? It used to be a lot easier to do. These days, good luck finding a place where you can legally shoot them off.

Oh, I understand to an extent. Tards with firecrackers = a fire on someone's property.

But then, the cities decided to take over a national tradition, to "professionalize" it so to speak. And now, of course, cities across the nation will be silent on the night of July 4th.

I know most people probably don't equate the 4th with anything more than a reason to hit the lake and drink a beer or fourty. But it hurts a little to see us descend from a once proud bunch of individualists to this collective group led by the lowest common denominator.

It's just fireworks, I know. But symbols mean something, and this symbol has been taken over and tarnished, and is now being deprived because people who can't balance a budget are in charge and deciding what's good for us.

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Fireworks shows are being canceled or scaled back, mostly in small and midsize cities, as municipalities' tax revenue dries up with the slowing economy and falling home prices. Funding from corporate sponsorships also has fizzled as businesses deal with economic problems of their own.

The budget realities are forcing communities to decide, for example, whether they can pay for extra police and fire protection for a fireworks show - or perhaps pay an officer's salary for the rest of the year. And some organizers have concerns about seeking money for a celebration as communities struggle to take care of life-or-death needs worsened by the recession.

In some cases, it's not just the fireworks shows getting the ax. Municipal and corporate sponsors, forced into frugality by the tough economy, have reduced or pulled funding for whole festivals encompassing music, food and other staples of summer.

Fireworks fans acknowledge the tough realities, but also say free fireworks shows aren't frivolous - rather, that they're a nearly sacred institution.

"The economic calamity that has hit the nation is something that we can understand," Dave Richmond, 41, of Parma, Ohio, wrote in an e-mail after the city decided it couldn't justify a $25,000 fireworks show amid a tax revenue shortfall of $2.4 million and furloughs of city workers. But "we feel jaded and very disappointed that a celebration of what our Founding Fathers worked so hard to give us is squandered by those who collect and spend our tax dollars." Richmond has attended the celebration since 1972.

Some fireworks companies have reported that business is off about 10 percent from last year, said Julie L. Heckman, executive director of the American Pyrotechnics Association, an industry group.

"We've not seen communities struggle to the level that they are this year to be able to fund their shows," she said.

Shows are being canceled from sea to shining sea:

- A $500,000 festival and fireworks display in San Jose, Calif., was canceled after the city cut grants to cover police and fire protection and other expenses to $17,000 from about $103,000, and other public and private sponsors cut back. The city's grant cutbacks came amid an $84 million budget shortfall that also has municipal workers forgoing raises and the city cutting back on road repairs.

"With a fireworks show, you can't really charge people to look up in the sky," said Fil Maresca, who had produced the show for 10 years.

- Local businesses in Charlottesville, Va., that organize the event are scaling it back this year and have already canceled it for next year.

"We thought it was just not the right year to be raising money for the fireworks when the food banks were suffering and more primary human services were at stake," said Dave Phillips, chairman of the organizing committee.

- In Hialeah, Fla., near Miami, an annual event was canceled this year because sponsorship money dried up in an area that's been especially hard hit by plunging housing prices. Organizers were short $20,000 to $25,000 to pay for the $40,000 to $45,000 show.

Other cities canceling shows include Mesa, Ariz.; Colorado Springs, Colo.; Niceville, Fla.; and Garland, Texas.

When budget woes hit cities, quality-of-life services like holiday festivals and parades are usually the first to go, said Christiana McFarland, a National League of Cities' researcher.

Stephen Vitale, president of Pennsylvania-based Pyrotecnico, said while his company is doing more shows this year because the holiday falls on a weekend, it's clear that communities are struggling to pay for displays.

"They fight real hard to keep it when they can," Vitale said.

Still, there will be an estimated 14,000 firework displays this year.

"I think many people would say, 'How do you do a Fourth of July celebration without fireworks?'" said Chief Executive Doug Taylor of Zambelli Fireworks Internationale.

Fireworks shows in big cities like Chicago will go on as usual, while organizers acknowledge sponsor dollars have been tight. New York's fireworks display, which is put on by Macy's Inc., was unaffected.

Even beaten-down cities like Detroit, which has been flayed by high unemployment and a faltering auto industry, have been able to keep their displays.

"This community really, really needs these types of events to bring people together to create camaraderie and take people's minds off of those day-to-day troubling issues," said Tony Michaels, president of The Parade Co., a nonprofit group that organizes the annual fireworks.

Detroit's show, one of the earliest of the season and primarily paid for by corporate sponsors including Target Corp., lit up the skies last week.

"It's real Americana," Michaels said. "All cities need these things."

In Ashtabula, Ohio, northeast of Cleveland, fireworks were canceled for the first time in 14 years until a local radio station's "Save the Fireworks" promotion netted the final $1,900 needed for the show, organizer Greg Kocjancic said.

"We survived," Kocjancic said. "The community - individuals and businesses basically - saved the fireworks, because the city couldn't help. A small town became mighty."
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:34 AM   #2
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Come to ND you can light all the fireworks you want to.
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:42 AM   #3
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"Oh crap, I burnt my toast. Damn you, Congress!!!"

"That girl totally shot me down at the bar...because of the welfare state!"

"Fireworks...hrm, tough one...stupid, stupid city hall!!!"
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:46 AM   #4
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:21 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Axgar View Post
Come to ND you can light all the fireworks you want to.

Yeah, the more rural it is, the better off it goes. But in Texas, they're fairly hardassed about it all.

Of course in Boston, they probably don't remember the sound of freedom... Too bad, seeing as how they were so central to it's inception in the USA.
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:49 AM   #7
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It's like you bathed in fail this week. I think you've gone soft and lost your edge.
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Originally Posted by Drysdale View Post
Yeah, the more rural it is, the better off it goes. But in Texas, they're fairly hardassed about it all.
It's really kinda weird, considering how many fireworks stands there are all over the place here. I remember seeing 3 or 4 on one side of the highway, and another 2 on the other. The best part? The first ones you got to advertised, "BUY 1 GET 3 FREE." The ones behind those said, "BUY 1 GET 4 FREE." The last one offered 5. There was less than a 50 foot gap between the stands. I bet the first guys were pissed.

I've also seen several warehouse style outlet stores that are open year-round. Even with the fireworks restrictions, people still buy 'em by the assload (Davek, how many is that?) and set them off on their own. I've been seeing errant fireworks go off since last weekend.
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:40 AM   #9
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It's really kinda weird, considering how many fireworks stands there are all over the place here. I remember seeing 3 or 4 on one side of the highway, and another 2 on the other. The best part? The first ones you got to advertised, "BUY 1 GET 3 FREE." The ones behind those said, "BUY 1 GET 4 FREE." The last one offered 5. There was less than a 50 foot gap between the stands. I bet the first guys were pissed.

I've also seen several warehouse style outlet stores that are open year-round. Even with the fireworks restrictions, people still buy 'em by the assload (Davek, how many is that?) and set them off on their own. I've been seeing errant fireworks go off since last weekend.
Actually, the permenant buildings, as far as I know, are only open about 15 days out of the year, mainly around the 4th and New Year.
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They must be wasting a crapload of money on lighting, then. The one in Nolanville (between Ft. Hood and I-35) is surrounded by stagelighting that illuminates the entire building from below every night.
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Selling Period - June 24-July 4 and December 20-January 1, May 1-May 5 (limited to further than 100 miles from Texas-Mexico border).
Yeah... They make a ton I guess...
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:39 PM   #13
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Old 07-01-2009, 03:31 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune View Post
It's like you bathed in fail this week. I think you've gone soft and lost your edge.
You sad cries for attention will work better if you actually add a thought to the discussion other than "you sux, cause I say so /wrist/wrist/cry/payattentiontome"

I might even have been willing to accept that you don't want to dignify the topic by responding to it, accept that you did respond. Twice.

Just not in a way that wasn't childish and stupid.




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Old 07-01-2009, 05:35 PM   #15
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Please go cut yourself, emo kid.
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The fireworks display here in Seattle at Gasworks park is under attack, too. Here is the report.
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune View Post
Please go cut yourself, emo kid.
Oh look! Horm with a 1 liner! Imagine that!
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It's like watching a retard slap fight. Can't help but get the popcorn and laugh your ass off.
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It's like watching a retard slap fight. Can't help but get the popcorn and laugh your ass off.
Looks like Ini just reached out and did some slapping.

/breaks out the popcorn
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It's like watching a retard slap fight. Can't help but get the popcorn and laugh your ass off.
Obama? is that you ?
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Originally Posted by Drysdale View Post
Oh look! Horm with a 1 liner! Imagine that!
Oh look! Drysdale with one of his own followed by a smiley! Imagine that!

Originally Posted by Ini
It's like watching a retard slap fight. Can't help but get the popcorn and laugh your ass off.
Says the Crown Prince Retard
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Horm, you should stick to selling magazines door to door. Humor is not your strong suit.
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Oh look! Drysdale with one of his own followed by a smiley! Imagine that!


And even with only one line he managed to actually convey his point AND his reasons for it. You can call us all names if you really think it will help, but I doubt it will. Eventually you'll either stop being a childish troll whose contributions consist entirely of "you sux! cause I said so!" or you'll learn to accept that even here, just as everywhere else in life, you are mocked.

How about next time try contributing more than name calling and you might avoid the need you apparently feel to throw a tantrum and lash out when people call you on it.
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assload (Davek, how many is that?)
Well I guess it depends on the ass, but generally I'd say it's less than boatload.
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On the topic, well we had our Canada Day Fireworks last night. It still lasted 15 minutes but the variety was lacking and definitely not as impressive as the past couple of years. It felt like they cheated on the finale where it's usually a boatload of the loud banging rockets. This year it was only an assload of those teamed up with a roman candle style closer to the ground that sounded more like wet farts.

The main part of the show was mostly run of the mill rockets with very few specialty types.
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