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Old 07-09-2009, 08:35 AM   #1
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WASHINGTON – The nation's hospitals will give up $155 billion in future Medicare and Medicaid payments to help defray the cost of President Barack Obama's health care plan, a concession the White House hopes will boost an overhaul effort that's hit a roadblock in Congress.
Vice President Joe Biden announced the deal at the White House on Wednesday, with administration officials and hospital administrators at his side.
"Reform is coming. It is on track; it is coming. We have tried for decades to fix a broken system, and we have never, in my entire tenure in public life, been this close," Biden said. And in a firm message to lawmakers, Biden added, "We must — and we will — enact reform by the end of August."
Obama has set an ambitious timetable for legislation, with the hope of signing a comprehensive bill in October. But lawmakers returned Tuesday from their July 4 break with lots of questions about the complex legislation and deep misgivings about key elements under discussion.
Democratic senators in particular are having second thoughts about a proposed new tax on generous health insurance benefits provided by some employers. Without the tax — Republicans favor it as a brake on cost increases — the prospects for a bipartisan deal in the Senate appear to be in jeopardy.
Timing is critical because lawmakers might be reluctant to vote on such a charged issue as health care next year, when all House members and one-third of senators face elections.
"We're not there yet," said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who, as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, has spent countless hours seeking a compromise with Republican colleagues. "I'm trying the best I can to get there soon."
Another senator deeply involved in the bipartisan negotiations said the proposed new tax on the costliest employer-paid insurance benefits is quickly losing favor with Democrats.
"It's clearly a very difficult issue," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., citing recent polls. "You go to the public to ask them what they think and they don't like it."
A compilation of surveys reviewed by senators showed at least 59 percent of the public opposed to taxing health care benefits to "pay for reform."
As a result, Conrad said, "we're looking at other options" to help finance a bill whose price tag is expected to reach $1 trillion or slightly more. Those other options may be hard to sell to Republicans whose support Baucus has been cultivating.
Baucus has long championed a tax on health benefits as the best way to pay for health care while simultaneously restraining the growth of the cost of coverage in the future. But the idea has drawn strong opposition from organized labor, a core Democratic constituency. House Democrats have been highly resistant, too, and Obama campaigned hard against it in last year's run for the White House.
The deal with the hospitals — the one bright spot right now for Obama — may also be on shaky ground. Officials said it's pegged to the Senate Finance Committee legislation that Baucus is negotiating, and whose prospects are uncertain. It would follow concessions from drug companies, and an announcement by Wal-Mart last week that it would support an employer requirement to help pay for health care.
Of the $155 billion in projected savings from hospitals, about $40 billion to $50 billion would come from reducing federal payments hospitals receive for providing care to uninsured and low-income patients, according to lobbyists. Those payments are now made through the Medicare and Medicaid programs. The Medicaid cuts would be apportioned by state, as 10 percent annual reductions beginning around 2015.
Officials of public hospitals say they have concerns such reductions could also squeeze funding for trauma centers and burn units, which receive Medicare and Medicaid money. But they wanted to see the fine print.
Other savings of about $100 billion would come from slowing increases in planned Medicare payments to hospitals. A small amount of savings would come from trimming the money hospitals get for preventing patients from being readmitted for additional care.
Hospitals would also get something out of the deal. They won an agreement that if the Finance Committee's legislation includes a public health insurance plan, it would reimburse hospitals at above the rates Medicare and Medicaid pay, which hospitals have long complained are insufficient.

The issue of a government insurance plan to compete against private companies continued to inflame sentiments on both sides of the political aisle. Republicans remain solidly opposed. Democrats, citing polls that show the public is open to the idea, are talking about a showdown on the issue.
Biden was joined at the White House by Rich Umbdenstock, president of the American Hospital Association, Richard Bracken, president of Hospital Corporation of America, Wayne Smith, president of Community Health Systems, and Sister Carol Keehan, president of Catholic Health Association of the United States.
"We know how urgently reform is needed, both for moral and economic purposes," said Keehan, who represents Catholic hospitals. House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio criticized the hospital deal, saying it was negotiated out of public view. "The administration and congressional Democrats are literally bullying health care groups into cutting backroom deals to fund a government takeover of health care," Boehner said in a statement
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:57 AM   #2
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Many hospitals are already *way* in the red. This can't be helping.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:10 AM   #3
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Free Market then.
Lets apply your GM rules to this.
Let them fail.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:19 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot View Post
Free Market then.
Lets apply your GM rules to this.
Let them fail.
Did you even read the article? The Obamessiah will be cutting medicare and medicaid. If this were a Republican president making those cuts you would be frothing at the mouth and slobbering all over your keyboard, writing about how evil the "cons" are and that the poor, elderly, and disabled are getting screwed over by Darth Bush. I guess if it is Obama making the cuts, then it is just fine.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:34 AM   #5
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This is just a shell game and the sucker is the tax payer. These hospitals do nothing for free.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:41 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot View Post
Free Market then.
Lets apply your GM rules to this.
Let them fail.
Sounds like a plan.
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Old 07-09-2009, 09:41 AM   #7
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This is just a shell game and the sucker is the tax payer. These hospitals do nothing for free.
Ding ding ding!

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Old 07-09-2009, 09:51 AM   #8
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I'll say it again, I think it's idiotic to try and reform health care while our economy is in its current state. Tackle one big thing at a time, so you won't have to split your attention.
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The reason Obama is pushing so hard is because the economy is in the shitter. He obviously is of the mindset that it cant get any worse so why not try to fix some long standing issues. He will find out soon enough how wrong he is.
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He will find out soon enough how wrong he is.
One can only hope.
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen View Post
Did you even read the article? The Obamessiah will be cutting medicare and medicaid. If this were a Republican president making those cuts you would be frothing at the mouth and slobbering all over your keyboard, writing about how evil the "cons" are and that the poor, elderly, and disabled are getting screwed over by Darth Bush. I guess if it is Obama making the cuts, then it is just fine.
This new Lurikeen scares me. I think I want the drunken, multi-personality back.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:05 PM   #12
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Old 07-09-2009, 03:46 PM   #13
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Good I don't feel so on the outside with the cuts to the VA for service connected injuries.
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