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Old 06-02-2004, 12:44 AM   #1
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Default This is Bullshit, we're letting this happen and Im mad as hell!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/01/fbi...eut/index.html

You would fucking think it would raise a red flag up. 1 tanker lost in new jersey and the FBI finds jack shit. Now 2 lost in Texas. No fucking way... Im almost convinced this is an inside job.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:07 AM   #2
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Tell it to people who don't support the Patriot act. (Kerry)

Tell it to the Kennedy's and the Democrats who think 9/11 was Bush's (fault)

Tell it to the Media who has pounded Bush for the war on (Terrorism)

Tell it to the Families who will lose relatives. Because it's an Election (year)

Tell it to the Families of (9/11)

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Old 06-02-2004, 01:19 AM   #3
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it's Bush's Fault, it's Kerry's fault it's the U.S. congress' fault, it's Bill Clinton's fault, it's the Senate's fault, it's Gary Condit's fault. STFU with blaming the democrats or republicans. It is both their faults. But what pisses me off more than anything is that we are like sheep pointing fingers at each other and the culprits are getting away with Bullshit. Whether it be Osama bin Laden in a cave in Afghanistan, Saddam Hussein with nerve agents, or the U.S. Government with propaganda.

Dont you understand we are fucking each other over and in the process letting ourselves be controlled by some sort of entity, whether it be our government or the terrorists. Im really fucking pissed off right now.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:31 AM   #4
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It'll be interesting to see if it does turn out to be terrorism-related, or if it's our own people stealing it in protest of the current gas price crisis.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:35 AM   #5
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Help me out here. What in the world does this tirade have to do with the article you linked?

Originally Posted by Sarrin Kanth
You would fucking think it would raise a red flag up.
Originally Posted by SAN ANTONIO, Texas (Reuters)
FBI issues alert for stolen propane tankers.
The FBI issued an alert concerning the missing trucks, which does not equate to doing nothing. It was also said in the article:
The FBI and San Antonio police said propane thefts were common in south Texas, given its proximity to northern Mexico.
Where was your outrage all the previous times that propane tankers were stolen?
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Dont you understand we are fucking each other over and in the process letting ourselves be controlled by some sort of entity, whether it be our government or the terrorists.
To one extent or another, you're correct. With some people it's "God", others it's money, others it's hate, their boss, family, etcetera. I suppose I just don't understand what has you so upset. This sort of stuff has been going on for years. Granted, not the war, but the politics, jabs being thrown by opposing political sides, and other nonsense has been happening since there were political parties.
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Old 06-02-2004, 01:35 AM   #6
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I doubt terorists like al qaeda would do something so blatantly obvious like steal trucks filled with gas, al qaeda is more likely to legally purchase it . not like you need ID to buy propane.

IMO this is just part of the widespread gas theft thats been going on since prices started soaring last year.
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:15 AM   #7
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Also under investigation is the weekend theft of 15 gas canisters from an ambulance supply company.

Why would anyone need to steal oxygen, carbon dioxide and nitrous oxide? There were also cans that were empty which were stolen. Do you realize that empty cans are still a threat?
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:34 AM   #8
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Nitrous Oxide? One reason immediately comes to mind...vroom vroom!

Oxygen - Oxy-Acetylene torches.

CO2 - Welding applications (although Argon is a much better choice, but thieves can't be choosers I suppose).

Empty bottles stolen as well? Most welding / compressed gas supply companies don't sell the bottle itself. They lease it to you. There are exceptions to this, but for the most part the bottles are leased. If a thief running an illegal shop needs O2, Acetylene, Argon, or other gasses, I doubt they're going to run down to Red Ball and lease a few bottles and buy a few thousand PSI of it.

That's not to say Osama himself didn't stop buy that ambulance supply house and steal those bottles for some nefarious reason. However, I'm just offering another perspective on why something like what you mentioned might happen.
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:38 AM   #9
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Why steal and raise suspicion when you can buy legally and privately?
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:40 AM   #10
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I know nitrous oxide at least gets stolen from ambulances and clinics fairly regularly. The kiddies think it's fun to get all skunked up and loopy acting.
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:49 AM   #11
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How can the FBI have no clue where this stuff is? I mean, we are in the post 9/11 era. My intial start website is saying the nation is on alert because of the missing propane tanks. I think it is more serious than someone stealing gas for non-lethal reasons.

Look you have almost 75% of the talk show people saying that something is going to happen to alter the elections. Take Sean Hannity and Rusch Limbaugh for example. I believe Limbaugh even said that in the event of a terrorist attack, it would be in the nations best interest to delay the elections.
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:49 AM   #12
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Domestic Terrorism is always there...just not always active
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:57 AM   #13
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BTW 3000 gallons is didly. The ordinary gasoline tanker carries 6k gallons, and that is considered a light load.

If Gasoline hits $3 /gallon, I expect to see tankers get armed escorts.

That is 18k in gas at $3 /gallon.
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I know nitrous oxide at least gets stolen from ambulances and clinics fairly regularly. The kiddies think it's fun to get all skunked up and loopy acting.
Some are blessed with the ability to not need Nitrous to be loopy.
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Old 06-02-2004, 03:02 AM   #15
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Erm, just to make sure...

You do know that liquid propane isn't gasoline, yes? 3,000 gallons of liquid propane isn't didly.
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Old 06-02-2004, 03:07 AM   #16
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The specific energy of Gasoline is greater than that of propane.
I suggest that 3k gallons of propane is not that big a boom.
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Old 06-02-2004, 03:59 AM   #17
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Propane has a btu value of 92,000 per gallon while gasoline has a btu value of 114,000 per gallon. While you are correct saying that gasoline energy values are greater that that of propane, its not by all that much.

The pictures of the LPG tankers I saw would do quite a bit of damage to say a shopping mall, or an apartment complex. But, I think the greater fear is that they would be used in conjunction with some other unknown factor like chemicals or some sort of dirty bomb, very much like what Jose Padilla is accused of conspiring to do. Done right, they would be pretty effective at getting particles of whatever they were using into the air and released downwind of a major population area which could be pretty deadly.
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:05 AM   #18
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If Gasoline hits $3 /gallon, I expect to see tankers get armed escorts
Wow!! If I could get gas that cheap, I'd be buying it in barrel-loads!

Petrol in the UK costs around £0.83 per litre, making it around £3.78 per gallon. In US terms thats around $6.98 per gallon!
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Old 06-02-2004, 05:26 AM   #19
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Need I remind you of who actually is getting protected by our government against terrorism.
http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/sh...ight=companies

Need I also remind you of the following...
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...ines-elect2004

Gee, I wonder how many times Kerry and libs have to be right before Bush starts listening.
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Old 06-02-2004, 07:17 AM   #20
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Bumble,

Your first link is absolute crap. Its public money available to any industry that applies. You follow the rules you get the money. Also in your comments in that thread you stated that oil companies were getting the lions share of the funds which is a bald faced lie by you, surprise surprise.

Your second link is rhetoric, no plans just accusations, another big surpise from Kerry and you. Maybe if Kerry actually worked as a Senator (which is still his job if i remember correctly) we could get the things done that he is suggesting we aren't doing. I don't really believe him though.
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Old 06-02-2004, 07:21 AM   #21
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Dont you understand we are fucking each other over and in the process letting ourselves be controlled by some sort of entity, whether it be our government or the terrorists. Im really fucking pissed off right now.
We've been saying that about the Dems for the last year now. They are Al Qaeda's greatest ally...
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Old 06-02-2004, 07:22 AM   #22
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Bumble catch a clue and for once try to link something that isn't political fodder and Op-Ed. For Christ's sake you linked a fucking politcal advertisement from the Kerry campaign...are you that dense?
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Your first link is absolute crap. Its public money available to any industry that applies. You follow the rules you get the money. Also in your comments in that thread you stated that oil companies were getting the lions share of the funds which is a bald faced lie by you, surprise surprise.

Your second link is rhetoric, no plans just accusations, another big surpise from Kerry and you. Maybe if Kerry actually worked as a Senator (which is still his job if i remember correctly) we could get the things done that he is suggesting we aren't doing. I don't really believe him though.
If you want rhetoric go to Kerry's website, he has initiatives on stopping this. And as far as the public money, it is disproportional because the oil companies are taking up more than they need, leaving little to the rest of our infrastructure. Even Tom Ridge acknowledged that and he is pretty much a tad more knowledgeable than you are, don't you think? (Oh yeah that's right you don't think)

Trith, I fail to see how one steeped in illiteracy can comment about the context of the written word. In other words, if you don't understand what is being said, how can you even call it an opinion. I am also still waiting from so many posts ago for you to put your money where your dicksucking mouth is and show me where I linked an op-ed without calling it an op-ed. I doubt you can do it because you don't even know what an op-ed is. (much like you and your conservative friends)
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Old 06-02-2004, 09:36 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by Trith
We've been saying that about the Dems for the last year now. They are Al Qaeda's greatest ally...
Trith, there is only one good response to such idiocy. You are a moron.
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Old 06-02-2004, 09:42 AM   #25
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Trith, I fail to see how one steeped in illiteracy can comment about the context of the written word
That's easy Bumble..quit linking crap and you will stop looking illiterate...
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