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Old 08-25-2005, 06:31 AM   #1
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Default The class of 2005

Those entering college now have a slightly different worldview than someone like me who was class of 1989

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0825/p09s02-coop.html
The freshman zeitgeist - from Al Qaeda to tying a Windsor knot

By Tom McBride and Ron Nief

BELOIT, WIS. In coming weeks, millions of students will be entering college for the first time. On average, members of the class of 2009 are 18 years old, which means they were born in 1987. Starbucks, souped-up car stereos, telephone voice-mail systems, and Bill Gates have always been a part of their lives. They've grown up with CNN, home computers, AIDS awareness, digital cameras, and the Bush political dynasty.
Each August, as students arrive here, we compile the Beloit College Mindset List, a worldview of today's entering freshmen. The list is distributed to faculty as an important reminder of the touchstones and benchmarks of a generation. It's not serious in-depth research, nor is it a chronology. But it's accurate as an event horizon of this generation's experience, and is meant to be thought-provoking fun.


Here are some features of the world as this year's freshmen have known it in their conscious lifetime:
1. Andy Warhol, Liberace, Jackie Gleason, and Lee Marvin have always been dead.
2. They don't remember when "cut and paste" involved scissors.
3. Heart-lung transplants have always been possible.
4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.
5. Boston has been working on "The Big Dig" all their lives.
6. With little need to practice, most of them do not know how to tie a tie.
7. Pay-Per-View television has always been an option.
8. They never had the fun of being thrown into the back of a station wagon with six others.
9. Iran and Iraq have never been at war with each other.
10. They are more familiar with Greg Gumbel than with Bryant Gumbel.
11. Philip Morris has always owned Kraft Foods.
12. Al-Qaida has always existed with Osama bin Laden at its head.
13. They learned to count with Lotus 1-2-3.
14. Car stereos have always rivaled home component systems.
15. Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker have never preached on television.
16. Voice mail has always been available.
17. "Whatever" is not part of a question but an expression of sullen rebuke.
18. The federal budget has always been more than a trillion dollars.
19. Condoms have always been advertised on television.
20. They may have fallen asleep playing with their Gameboys in the crib.
21. They have always had the right to burn the flag.
22. For daily caffeine emergencies, Starbucks has always been around the corner.
23. Ferdinand Marcos has never been in charge of the Philippines.
24. Money put in their savings account the year they were born earned almost 7% interest.
25. Bill Gates has always been worth at least a billion dollars.
26. Dirty dancing has always been acceptable.
27. Southern fried chicken, prepared with a blend of 11 herbs and spices, has always been available in China.
28. Michael Jackson has always been bad, and greed has always been good. 29. The Starship Enterprise has always looked dated.
30. Pixar has always existed.
31. There has never been a "fairness doctrine" at the FCC.
32. Judicial appointments routinely have been "Borked."
33. Aretha Franklin has always been in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
34. There have always been zebra mussels in the Great Lakes.
35. Police have always been able to search garbage without a search warrant.
36. It has always been possible to walk from England to mainland Europe on dry land.
37. They have grown up in a single superpower world.
38. They missed the oat bran diet craze.
39. American Motors has never existed.
40. Scientists have always been able to see supernovas.
41. Les Miserables has always been on stage.
42. Halogen lights have always been available at home, with a warning.
43. "Baby M" may be a classmate, and contracts with surrogate mothers have always been legal.
44. RU486, the "morning after pill," has always been on the market.
45. There has always been a pyramid in front of the Louvre in Paris.
46. British Airways has always been privately owned.
47. Irradiated food has always been available but controversial.
48. Snowboarding has always been a popular winter pastime.
49. Libraries have always been the best centers for computer technology and access to good software.
50. Biosphere 2 has always been trying to create a revolution in the life sciences.
51. The Hubble Telescope has always been focused on new frontiers.
52. Researchers have always been looking for stem cells.
53. They do not remember "a kinder and gentler nation."
54. They never saw the shuttle Challenger fly.
55. The TV networks have always had cable partners.
56. Airports have always had upscale shops and restaurants.
57. Black Americans have always been known as African-Americans.
58. They never saw Pat Sajak or Arsenio Hall host a late night television show.
59. Matt Groening has always had a Life in Hell.
60. Salman Rushdie has always been watching over his shoulder.
61. Digital cameras have always existed.
62. Tom Landry never coached the Cowboys.
63. Time Life and Warner Communications have always been joined.
64. CNBC has always been on the air.
65. The Field of Dreams has always been drawing people to Iowa.
66. They never saw a Howard Johnson's with 28 ice cream flavors.
67. Reindeer at Christmas have always distinguished between secular and religious decorations.
68. Entertainment Weekly has always been on the newsstand.
69. Lyme Disease has always been a ticking concern in the woods.
70. Jimmy Carter has always been an elder statesman.
71. Miss Piggy and Kermit have always dwelt in Disneyland.
72. America's Funniest Home Videos has always been on television.
73. Their nervous new parents heard C. Everett Koop proclaim nicotine as addictive as heroin.
74. Lever has always been looking for 2000 parts to clean.
75. They have always been challenged to distinguish between news and entertainment on cable TV.

Tom McBride is Keefer professor of the humanities and directs the First Year Initiatives program for entering students at Beloit College in Beloit, Wis. Ron Nief is director of public affairs at the college.
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Old 08-25-2005, 06:47 AM   #2
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4. Wayne Gretzky never played for Edmonton.
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:52 AM   #3
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Damn that made me feel old.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:00 PM   #4
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does doesn't it?

to think. hes going to be a owner !!
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:15 PM   #5
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Scary...I'm also class of '89. These kids would have been 1 or 2 years old when I graduated.
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Old 08-25-2005, 12:47 PM   #6
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I feel bad for those graduating classes of 2005, they missed some of the best eras of music, they wont remember what rock n roll was becuase it died in 1991(with the exception of White Zombie of course). they will never know all the kickass shows on TV before the PC police banned them . Im sure the Little Rascals, Amos & Andy, The Three Stooges, Laurel & Hardy and Abbot & Costello are all considered racist or too violent nowadays.

Those kids will never know what its like to go to theme parks/fairs/circuses that werent out to screw the consumer by charging 80 bucks per person for the day. They wont ever know that back in the 70s everybody spent most of their time outside of their house, running around, playing ball, parents working around the house or on their car instead of everyone all locked up like scared mice in their homes messing around on the PC.

It can get quite depressing when you think about all the good things that dont exist anymore.
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Old 08-25-2005, 01:25 PM   #7
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with the exception of White Zombie of course
If I had a rubber tube I would beat you with it for that statement.

That said, I'm thankful for the music from the 80s and 70s and earlier for being so influential. Influential, in this case, meaning so god awful bad that it inspired others worldwide to come up with some better sounding music.

Except rap. That shit still sucks.


As for the original article, even if the class of 2005 experienced or knew about any of that...I don't think a damn one of them would care.
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Old 08-25-2005, 05:29 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by chukzombi
Im sure the Little Rascals, Amos & Andy, The Three Stooges, Laurel & Hardy and Abbot & Costello are all considered racist or too violent nowadays.
I don't know about that. Those are classic shows. Even the younger generations get into them. Hell, Archie Bunker is an all-time favorite, and he was probably the biggest bigot on TV.
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Old 08-25-2005, 05:41 PM   #9
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I feel bad for those graduating classes of 2005, they missed some of the best eras of music, they wont remember what rock n roll was becuase it died in 1991(with the exception of White Zombie of course). they will never know all the kickass shows on TV before the PC police banned them . Im sure the Little Rascals, Amos & Andy, The Three Stooges, Laurel & Hardy and Abbot & Costello are all considered racist or too violent nowadays.
Fuck that, the 80's had the worst music since the 50's. (with the exception of Metallica of course)

You don't think Tool, Alice in Chains, or Pearl Jam are any good?

PS 80's also had the worst cars, and clothes as well.
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Old 08-25-2005, 05:53 PM   #10
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All of those bands formed in the 80s, though they did have some good albums in the 90s. alice and chains best being the tripod cd.
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:24 PM   #11
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Metallica needs to get back on the booze and drugs. They made better music then.

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Originally Posted by Ini
Metallica needs to get back on the booze and drugs. They made better music then.
I'll agree to that. Really it would be all right if he stopped singing so damn much, and went back to more instrumental.
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Old 08-26-2005, 04:22 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Ini
Metallica needs to get back on the booze and drugs. They made better music then.
That's for damn sure. After ...And Justice For All, they went off on a path I didn't want to follow. Their best was Master of Puppets. They have a some good songs afterwards (Unforgiven 2 rocks), and some of their covers, like Sabbra Cadabbra, were cool, but nothing with the power of the old days.
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Old 08-26-2005, 05:30 AM   #14
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