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Old 04-29-2003, 01:10 AM   #1
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Default MA's with Haste?

Just curious as to what some people think about giving MA's haste on mobs that riposte.

Does the MA really do enough damage with 1 handers to offset all the ripostes he takes?

Is he considered a mana sponge due to the fact he is taking more damage than needed?

Should a MA go without haste providing he can keep sufficient taunt?

Could it save a raid or group (possibly) if the MA was not given haste?

Just some questions i thought could be disputable. As a part-time MA i know my DPS is low but my epics proc such awesome taunt i am not worried about anyone getting taunt off me by merely doing damage to the mob on the backside. It is possible to steal taunt off me im not denying i have people try to steal it all the time then i switch to non-taunt weapons cus they obviously wanna tank or think they can better than me. Just a thought that crossed my mind. =)
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Old 04-29-2003, 01:42 AM   #2
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DPS is taunt.

You should always be hasted.

If you are worried about ripostes get more AC/hps or use a 2 hander.

Don't overthink it.

Just be hasted.

To not be hasted as a tank if it is available is just silly.
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Old 04-29-2003, 03:55 AM   #3
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if mob hits for lots 2hander = good

being unhasted even with best taunt weapons in game lots of classes can steal aggro from you, and the best dps classes can while lowering their own damage trying to do do max dps. damage = taunt, taunt = good

and as a bonus a warrior with max offensive aa's a bundle of vengence and a nice weapon does a ton of damage =p
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Old 04-29-2003, 05:43 AM   #4
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Here's my take on a warrior.

It's not their job to control agro, it's their job to take it. It's the other class' job to control their agro =p.

Might be worded goofy but makes some sense =p

Still is nice for a warrior to try and keep agro

/wave Submina =p

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Old 04-29-2003, 06:07 AM   #5
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Having played a warrior to level 45, I feel that I'm an expert on all things related to the warrior class.


Haste is so completely useless, the extra damage you do just isn't worth the cost of mana. Mana that could be spent better casting spells like bedlam. Unless you have a haste clicker for free haste, then you might as well....as long as there aren't 15 other buffs available.
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:13 AM   #6
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Here's my take on a warrior.
So you never played one, but you giving your point of view on one?

/boggle
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:24 AM   #7
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Just some logic I've compiled =p. I'm usually wrong when I spout ideas

I do have a 45 warrior thou.

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Old 04-29-2003, 06:26 AM   #8
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It's not their job to control agro, it's their job to take it. It's the other class' job to control their agro =p.
oh definately! its always others classes jobs to control their aggro and not beat the warrior in it, but the higher that aggro bar the warrior has the higher other classes can push close to it and do more damage if someone steps over the line thats their fault ! :P

/wave Rubenn

So you never played one, but you giving your point of view on one?
somehow I like that when nire does it! :P hehe.

Having played a Paladin to level 4 I profess to know all things paladin, and think they definately start LOH chains to keep me healed! what does a pally matter ? =p
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:34 AM   #9
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Oh please Submina, a level 45 character sees a hell of a lot more end game content than a level 4 character. WTFeva n00b!
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Old 04-29-2003, 06:46 AM   #10
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Nire once tried to cyber me while I was camping Hadden, and just when i was getting to my climax he Kill stealed me, I will never forgive him!
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Old 04-29-2003, 07:21 AM   #11
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*shows off his fishbone earing*
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Old 04-29-2003, 12:25 PM   #12
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and just when i was getting to my climax he Kill stealed me
G'damn man, you're supposed to attack the mob not cyber it!
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Old 04-29-2003, 12:27 PM   #13
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Wait read that wrong, thought you were climaxing on Hadden. Regardless my point is still valid!
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Old 04-29-2003, 12:28 PM   #14
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:28 AM   #15
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Aggro managment belongs to everyone involved....however, if it weren't the MA's job to try and keep aggro, then Pallies wouldn't be doing their thing to keep it as well as they do.

Without warriors being able to have spells to draw aggro, they need to be doing as much damage as they can.

Look at it this way.

Warrior hasted takes more riposte...however, that warrior also has more AC/HPs, AA's, etc. that are designed to take those hits.

The hasted rogue, bard, <insert class here> standing behind the mob to avoid the riposte is avoiding it for the very reason that they aren't designed to take those hits.

So, if the warrior is unhasted, they have less chance of keeping aggro, and us crunchy classes get eaten for lunch.

On the point that it is everyone's job to control aggro...Rogues evade, monks FD, bards hit Fading Memories, rangers jolt...

In any situation where you aren't soloing, it is the entire group (or raid)'s job to work as a team. Communication, knowledge and a little bit of a good "groove" are keys to any encounter or group situation.

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Old 04-30-2003, 06:11 AM   #16
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Damage does not translate to aggro for warriors. I have tanked Emperor Ssraeshza and Seru without doing a single point of damage to either. Wasn't using any dirty tricks either. (snare glands, tash sticks, etc)

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Old 04-30-2003, 07:50 AM   #17
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Default DPS and aggro

Its not that damage doesn't create aggro sarkam its just that the amount of aggro created by damage is so small compared to the aggro generated just by swinging even if you cant do damage. Number of swings and type of swing (2 hander or 1 hander) is the primary source of aggro for a warrior along with proc aggro not the damage but the damage does add some however small.
For example if you load up 2 warriors with exact same delay weapons and go against a mob where one person can hit with thier weapon and the mob is immune to the damage on the other persons weapon IE use a bane weapon on emp in ssra and a same ratio non bane weapon like priceless from ST for the other person, the person doing damage will outaggro the person just swinging for no effect but the difference wont be very much at all.
As for the answer to the question. The real benificial part of haste for aggro isnt the extra DPS its the extra swings.
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