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Old 11-09-2006, 06:48 AM   #76
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I'm not sure I understand a "right to not be killed", as if being killed were a forgone conclusion otherwise, but I believe the world owes us nothing.
Foregone conclusion, no. The point is that my life is mine, not yours. Neither the state nor anyone else has title to me. Killing me or depriving me of liberty (jailing unjustly, enslaving, stealing my property, etc..) equates to stealing from me something that I was born with.

Sometimes a government does not recognize these fundamental rights. Sometimes you do have to fight for those rights. The point is to define what is just and what is not. If a government does not recognize life, liberty, and property, it is unjust and the people should overthrow it. Just because you are born with it does not mean others will not try to take it away.

I guess my point, Wildane, is that the world does not owe me anything. Rather, the world just does not have the right to take away something that it didn't give me in the first place.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:51 AM   #77
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Sometimes you do have to fight for those rights
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:55 AM   #78
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I believe he was referring to the "En Vogue" right... also known as the "right to lose control". This right was most recently excersized by Republicans all across the country.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:01 AM   #79
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Originally Posted by Beal
I guess my point, Wildane, is that the world does not owe me anything. Rather, the world just does not have the right to take away something that it didn't give me in the first place.
I agree with that. I mean, if the world owes you nothing, surely you owe nothing to the world.

Now, before someone misinterprets what I said, when I say "the world", I don't mean Earth itself. I do believe we owe it to our planet to try and take care of it, but that is another discussion entirely.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:26 AM   #80
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I believe he was referring to the "En Vogue" right... also known as the "right to lose control". This right was most recently excersized by Republicans all across the country.
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