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Old 06-12-2004, 08:00 PM   #1
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Default Libs vs. Cons vs. Libs vs. Cons (or: Wildane's Sig)

A wise man once wrote the following:

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the state, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party, generally.
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The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:25 PM   #2
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Yes, George Washington has been cited even by Communists, Theo, as supporting a single party system.

Washington's Farewell address was a speech concerning unity. Washington wasn't an advocate of factions, as we read in the "Federalist Papers" from Madison. Washington fervently advocated not a nationalism, but a political unity of the fledgling country.

While then every part of our Country thus feels an immediate and particular interest in Union, all the parts combined in the united mass of means and efforts cannot fail to find greater strength, greater resource, proportionably greater security from external danger, a less frequent interruption of their Peace by foreign Nations; and, what is of inestimable value! they must derive from Union an exemption from those broils and wars between themselves, which so frequently afflict neighbouring countries, not tied together by the same governments; which their own rivalships alone would he sufficient to produce; but which opposite foreign alliances, attachments, and intrigues would stimulate and embitter. -- Hence likewise they will avoid the necessity of those overgrown Military establishments, which, under any form of government, are inauspicious to liberty, and which are to be regarded as particularly hostile to Republican Liberty. In this sense it is, that your Union ought to be considered as a main prop to your liberty, and that the love of the one ought to endear to you the preservation of the other.

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Washington envisioned a federal government for the "whole". His idea was that government should be united for the whole. While he understood party politics to some degree, there is no way he could have understood the sort of political machine we face in the 21st century.

There is no doubt, the first President of the US thought of party politics as "baneful", but I think he knew there was no way around factions save for writing a constitution that would forbid such liberty. Something Washington might have supported, if it were to save the "Union".
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Old 06-12-2004, 08:32 PM   #3
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I wrote that when I was drunk. I can't believe you found it!

I wrote that when I was 22 on a TRS-80! And used a tape deck as my hard drive.

I posted that on BB's all over the world. (Where the hell was 10-10-221)
and that redheaded puppet. I mean really. WOW!



Socialist propaganda belongs in the casket of WHO? Théodwyn?

Ignorance is not tolerance, Mr. Socialist.


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Old 06-12-2004, 08:54 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
Yes, George Washington has been cited even by Communists, Theo, as supporting a single party system.

Washington's Farewell address was a speech concerning unity. Washington wasn't an advocate of factions, as we read in the "Federalist Papers" from Madison. Washington fervently advocated not a nationalism, but a political unity of the fledgling country.



Washington envisioned a federal government for the "whole". His idea was that government should be united for the whole. While he understood party politics to some degree, there is no way he could have understood the sort of political machine we face in the 21st century.

There is no doubt, the first President of the US thought of party politics as "baneful", but I think he knew there was no way around factions save for writing a constitution that would forbid such liberty. Something Washington might have supported, if it were to save the "Union".
Oh please. Like you wrote this crap Lurikeen? LMFAO!
Lets see who can find who wrote this shit first.

Kinda ironic how you managed to post this saphire after such a BS monologue
with neither a quote or author. Coat tails? Indeed.

Ride away Lurikeen. Into nowhere.

How long did it take you Liberals to rewrite history?
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/8/fatheradvice.htm

Ignoring the Constitution, he warns, allows "cunning, ambitious and
unprincipled men" to take power illegitimately by force or fraud. Americans
must guard against the "the spirit of innovation" that desires to circumvent or
ignore the principles of our Constitution—the spirit that now dominates in our
courts, legal system and law schools.
Your not welcomed to rewrite history. Or America Lurikeen.
No matter who tries revisionism. First you must kill 200million Americans.
(Most are armed too the teeth)

Are you ready Luri? You try first then!
Try taking our 2'nd amendment first.
And you hold the gun to our law abiding citizens while taking away our guns.
Home by home, Business by Business, school by school. who do you fear the most?

Kids in schools? Or Armed civilians>? Like hell you have children. Liar!



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Old 06-12-2004, 09:19 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
While he understood party politics to some degree, there is no way he could have understood the sort of political machine we face in the 21st century.
I think he'd recognize it and understand it all too well. A great speech and a good insight. For all their little individual foibles the early US produced so many great men and Presidents. Things just seem to have become so tawdry since the invention of television and the 10 second sound bite, in all our nations, not just the US.
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Old 06-12-2004, 09:33 PM   #6
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I'd like to point out that I quoted it, I didn't interpret it.

Not to say I don't appreciate your insights, eternally diametrically opposite Luri and Zolmaz (although I must admit to being touched that you didn't argue about Reagan's passing being worth respect).

Just please don't put words in my mouth.

Do carry on, though.


P.S. For the record, I also think that Washington understood the spirit of things all too well, just as Zaniel says. Of course you are right Luri, there are things that Washington couldn't have known would come to pass. But I don't think the message is any less poignant. We lose the message all too often in the interpretation. Or such is my belief.
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Old 06-12-2004, 10:35 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Théodwyn
I'd like to point out that I quoted it, I didn't interpret it
A link would be appriciated. Yes?

Originally Posted by Théodwyn
Do carry on, though.
Yes, us underlings have been commanded to carry on.
Okie Dokie then.


Originally Posted by Théodwyn
P.S. For the record, I also think that Washington understood the spirit of things all too well, just as Zaniel says.
So, you think that Washington understood because of your trust in Zaniel. Got it.
Ever wondered why you lose?
hmm

Originally Posted by Théodwyn
Of course you are right Luri, there are things that Washington couldn't have known would come to pass. But I don't think the message is any less poignant. We lose the message all too often in the interpretation. Or such is my belief.
Or such is my belief? LMFAO! Talk about a bogus post. Posts even.

Lets back up a bit shall we? Théo?
http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=15160

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I won.

I advance to the National Finals in September in the Male Pop/Rock/Soul/R&B/Everything-But-Country category.

I probably won't make the Chicago Fan Faire.

I'm still in shock. I'm surprised I was able to drive hom. Excuse me, I'm going to go lie down.

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while you try and be someone you are not?
Sir Théodwyn?

Or this excerpt dear Théodwyn,
Originally Posted by Théodwyn
Shame. I would have pwnzored at the karaoke thing. Good way to get the mack vibe up for the rest of the weekend.
http://www.erollisimarr.com/forum/sh...720#post229720

Over yourself yet? Or do you now think your just better for being a failure, hmm>?

You didn't write that?

Your now posting and pasting to a game board for attention.
And stealing for your benifit no less.

Plagerism is illegal btw. Yes? You know that already.
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Cry us a tune Théodwyn. Cry Cry away. *Weep

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Old 06-12-2004, 10:47 PM   #8
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Zolmaz's stream of consciousness posts are the best. He's like a talentless, mentally retarded James Joyce with Tourette's Syndrome...
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Old 06-12-2004, 11:51 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
Zolmaz's stream of consciousness posts are the best. He's like a talentless, mentally retarded James Joyce with Tourette's Syndrome...
And this is all you have to offer?
Pathetic.



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Old 06-13-2004, 03:37 AM   #10
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Wow! I've been directly flamed by Zolmaz.

And the research too! I'm actually kind of flattered.

Gee, thanks! Do I get a gold foil star too?



P.S. So sorry, here's your link http://earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica...well/text.html

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Old 06-13-2004, 07:35 AM   #11
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Bark like a dog for me Zolmaz.
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Old 06-13-2004, 08:31 AM   #12
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Wow, I am impressed, Theo, on your achievements.

wow on the link, too...good reading material.
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