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Old 06-10-2004, 06:33 AM   #1
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Default For those who think planes don't get "lost"...

Read about 2/3 down the article

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/10/po...rint&position=
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Old 06-10-2004, 06:36 AM   #2
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What kind of plane was it?
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Old 06-10-2004, 07:00 AM   #3
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It doesn't matter what kind of plane it was... it wasn't an F-117A or a B2... it has a radar signature. If anything larger than a small prop it likely has a transponder. In any event any plane flying into the DC airspace during a special security declaration by the Secret Service would have to be in continuous radio contact with the ground. Clearly there was a failure in the radio and/or transponder and it went missing from a radar screen in one of the most heavily protected areas in the world right now.

At this very moment there are CAPs flying over DC and will be through today and tomorrow when Reagan's casket leaves DC and the assembled mourners disperse. They are no doubt supplimenting ground radar with E-3s and E-2C AWACs aircraft.

Bottom line, the plane went missing for a period, it happens, still happens today and will continue to happen. Machines fail, humans fail, the best we can ever hope to do is minimize. But if it could happen this week in DC of all places you can rest assured it could happen on September 11, 2001.
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Old 06-10-2004, 07:07 AM   #4
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Don't forget there were planes to escort it away from the capitol building.
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Old 06-10-2004, 07:13 AM   #5
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Absolutely it was escorted, thats what the CAP is for... Identify visually, get pilot to acknowledge the CAP and follow to an airport for landing and search. The point was made yesterday that planes don't just disappear. This one apparently did. Machine and humans are not infalable. No system is full proof, in our hyper-vigilant state it can still happen. This time we were prepared and reacted accordingly. Thank God nobody had a Bumbleroot hair trigger and blew the governor out of the sky before they knew what happened... Yes, that was a playful dig. I don't think bumbleroot would just go blowing planes out of the sky.

And Bumble, if that Governor is anyhting like the Governor's I've worked with and for he was either flying commercial or had at least a ten passenger charter plane or state police aircraft. Governor Pataki doesn't go anywhere without a press secretary, an advance man and at least four state police bodyguards. That's a pretty common retinue for a Governor and even on the small side. Therefore I doubt it was a two pasanger Cessna or Piper Cub if that is what you are wondering.
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Old 06-10-2004, 01:48 PM   #6
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According to the Daily News's Washington Bureau it was a small private jet. So probably like I said above, around 10-12 passangers, large enough for support staff and a small security detail.
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Old 06-10-2004, 02:27 PM   #7
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If anything larger than a small prop it likely has a transponder.
Does this model have a transponder? My contention is that if it doesn't it is not the same scenario as a jetliner. It is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Old 06-10-2004, 03:19 PM   #8
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Small private jets would indeed have a transponder. Much different than a small prop job. We're talking something along the line of a Leer or a Gulfstream. Governor's don't fly the smaller stuff, too much baggage. In New York the state maintains a fleet of planes and helicopters, ostensibly they belong to the state police but certain ones are designated for the Governor's use.
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Old 06-10-2004, 06:54 PM   #9
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All planes have required a transponder since 1958 as per FAA rules.
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Old 06-10-2004, 08:10 PM   #10
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Thanks for looking that up Brumble, wasn't aware of that.
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