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Old 07-25-2008, 06:42 AM   #1
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Default Where do they get those wonderful toys?

http://technology.newscientist.com/a...d-bullets.html
A gun that fires variable speed bullets and which can be set to kill, wound or just inflict a bruise is being built by a US toy manufacturer. The weapon is based on technology used to propel toy rockets.

Lund and Company Invention, a toy design studio based near Chicago, makes toy rockets that are powered by burning hydrogen obtained by electrolysing water. Now the company is being funded by the US army to adapt the technology to fire bullets instead.

The US Army are interested in arming soldiers with weapons that can be switched between lethal and non-lethal modes. They asked Company Invention to make a rifle that can fire bullets at various speeds.
Sniper version

The new weapon, called the Variable Velocity Weapon System or VWS, lets the soldier to use the same rifle for crowd control and combat, by altering the muzzle velocity. It could be loaded with "rubber bullets" designed only to deliver blunt impacts on a person, full-speed lethal rounds or projectiles somewhere between the two.

Bruce Lund, the company's CEO, says the gun works by mixing a liquid or gaseous fuel with air in a combustion chamber behind the bullet. This determines the explosive capability of the propellant and consequently the velocity of the bullet as it leaves the gun. "Projectile velocity varies from non-lethal at 10 metres, to lethal at 100 metres or more, as desired," says Lund.

The company says that the weapon produces less heat and light than traditional guns. It can also be made lighter and could have a high power setting for long-range sniping.

Police already fire non-lethal projectiles from standard shotguns. These are known as "beanbag" rounds, bags of lead shot which will knock down a suspect at ranges of up to 10 metres. They are termed "non-lethal", but can cause bruising or even broken ribs.
'Handgun to Howitzer'

Lund says that the new weapon system will use different types of bullet for lethal and non-lethal use. Police forces already use separate shotguns for non-lethal loads – typically marking them with bright orange tape to prevent any confusion – so this shouldn't be an issue.

The existing VWS design is a .50 calibre (12.7 mm) rifle weapon, but Lund says the technology can be scaled to any size, "handgun to Howitzer".

Steve Wright, a security expert at Leeds Metropolitan University, UK warns of the potential risk of variable lethality.

"In a high-stress, high-personal-risk zone, there will be a real temptation for soldiers to turn the tuneable lethality switch up to 'kill' mode so that all doubt is removed."

A demonstration version will be ready within six months, and the VWS could go into production within 18 months of approval, according to Lund and Company.
And yeah, I wants me one!
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Old 07-25-2008, 06:52 AM   #2
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I'm a little wary of this for the same reasons the guy toward the end stated. From where I stand at least (and I'm no expert), LE/military have fairly specific times when they're using non-lethal weapons and as far as I know always have their regular weapons with them also. It's not like troops are leaving their rifles in the truck while they do crowd control is it? The potential for mistakes with something like this is humongous. If cops in Boston can manage to kill a girl with a beanbag gun, which they did, it seems inevitable that this technology will produce fatal mistakes also.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:13 AM   #3
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Well, the potential for mistakes is already present in any weapons system, as you cited by the bean bag example. It's not the fault of the technology, per se, but rather the application of new technology and the learning curves so often associated with its introduction.

I don't look at this as a means of making lethal weapons safer, but giving another option for a cop or soldier in the application of force, lethal or less than lethal. For example, I can certainly see a situation for any soldier or law enforcement officer to have the option of escalating to lethal force in a moment and vice versa: hostage rescue scenarios, covert operations to secure a live intelligent asset, selective SEADs, etc. Firearms tend to be the go-to in last resort situations, and I can think of many times it is more desireable to leave behind incapacitated targets than dead bodies.

Still, Horm's observations have much merit: a girl getting killed by a bean bag is a risk in the less-than-lethal scenario. I know of several incidents in several jails around the country in which prisoners died after getting Taser'd. It shows us that there is no such thing as non-lethal, as all devices have the capability to be lethal. A bar of soap can be lethal if you put it in a sock and hit someone with it. The lesson here is the correct application of the technology to reduce that risk to an acceptable level. What is that level, I don't know, that is something we'll have to learn over time, like we have with planes, trains, autos, and, yes, firearms.
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Old 07-25-2008, 09:51 AM   #4
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