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Old 08-15-2004, 02:39 AM   #1
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Default Swiftboat vets speak out.

http://www.c-span.org/Search/basic.a...ess+Conference
very long

This is actually from June. Are these guys lying? You decide.
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Old 08-15-2004, 07:41 AM   #2
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I didn't have real player.

Is this the same thing?

http://www.swiftvets.com/
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Old 08-15-2004, 10:41 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by chukzombi
Are these guys lying? You decide.
If you want to make an informed decision here is a link to an objective analysis:
http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

FactCheck.org's Mission statement follows. You will notice their web site also calls bullshit on Democrats where facts are distorted.

Our Mission

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by an endowment from the Annenberg Foundation.

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp
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Old 08-15-2004, 12:43 PM   #4
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No Rheaton this is a 90 minute press conference from the actual veterans who served with John Kerry and they each give their own 5 minute speeches on why they came out against Kerry. They arent using 'internet facts' but do give their own experiances based on their eyewitness accounts of John Kerry. Its up to you to decide who is more believable, i urge you to get real player Rheaton and check this out, get win patrol too and set it up so it blocks realplayer from getting onto your toolbar at startup.

Aackman did you even bother to watch that entire clip?
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Old 08-15-2004, 12:53 PM   #5
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And there is talk circulating that Alston who claims to have been on Kerry's boat was actually medevaced out of the theatre with a head wound sustained in combat along with his commander Lt. Pike the day BEFORE Kerry assumed command of boat 94... If that proves to be true its another nail in the coffin... fake vets testifying with him in 1971 and now the possibility that one of his band of brothers actually lying about serving under him when he was hospitalized with a head wound? Well maybe the head wound caused delusions... kinf of like Kerry's when he says he was in Cambodia on Christmas Eve 1968...
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:00 PM   #6
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Here is an answer to that factcheck article
http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2628
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Old 08-15-2004, 03:39 PM   #7
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It took me half a page to realize what a hypocritical retard the author of that post is. Observe:

Let’s deal with number 2 first. Where the financing came from isn’t relevant to whether the facts stated in the ad are correct or incorrect. What is germane is whether what is stated in the ad has factual credibility or not. The premise which FactCheck.org puts forth is if this is financed by Republicans, it must be false or at least must be viewed with a jaundiced eye because its purpose is to destroy Kerry’s credibility, not be factually correct.. Surprisingly, FactCheck.org commits the logical fallacy of guilt by association. Instead of zeroing in on the facts as presented, FactCheck.org infers that because a Republican may have financed the ad, the ad’s facts are in question.

've always been of the opinion that a fact is a fact and its irrelevant who brings them up or doesn't.
Followed immediately by this:

Who is Michael Kranish? He’s a Globe writer with connections to the Kerry campaign. He’s also alleged to be the paid author of the Kerry-Edwards campaign book “Our Plan for America: Strong at Home, Respected Abroad”. He denies this and says Amazon has erroneously listed him as the author (how does that happen and why hadn't he protested it before now?). The Boston Globe also claims in a story yesterday that Amazon has acknowleged this and would revise the listing accordingly. As of this morning, the listed author of the book remains Michael Kranish.

I bring this up for a simple reason. If it was so important for FactCheck.org to tie the ad in question to “Republican financing”, why wasn’t it equally as important to note that the Globe reporter who makes the claim that Elliott has recanted might have a conflict of interest at work here?
Can people this stupid even breathe?
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Old 08-15-2004, 04:41 PM   #8
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Lets see the swift boat guys are supposedly not lying,
but the commander that says he never saw Bush doing his
assigned tasks is lying. That is a very convienient interpetation.
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