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Old 09-15-2004, 11:20 AM   #1
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The Facts on Bush’s National Guard Duty


George W. Bush entered the Texas Air National Guard upon graduating from Yale in May of 1968. For the next two years, Bush would fly almost non-stop for 80 weeks, making his Reserve duty a full-time job. From May 1968-69, he earned 253 flight points, more than five times the required annual minimum for Reserve members. He earned nearly 100 points more than that the following year. From 1970-72, he earned more than twice his minimum each year.

In 1972, he famously asked to be transferred to the Alabama National Guard, so he could work on a political campaign. He earned only 56 points from May 1972-73. In the summer of 1973, he earned another 56 points in just two months and was granted an honorable discharge six months before completing his six-year commitment. It is this latter portion of service the Left has seized upon. Non-veterans Terry MacAuliffe and Michael Moore have (falsely) described Bush as "AWOL" during this time. Others wondered how Bush could be allowed to turn in fewer hours in 1972-3 than he did the four previous years. The president’s opportunistic critics overlook the context of his Guard service: the conditions of the Vietnam War.

Bush entered the Guard at the high water mark of Lyndon Johnson’s escalation policies. By 1969, more than half-a-million U.S. soldiers were stationed in Vietnam. After the inauguration of Richard Nixon, the Republican who campaigned on a platform of "peace with honor" began the first significant troop withdrawals: 75,000 by the end of 1969. Through his policy of "Vietnamization," Nixon recalled another 170,000 American troops by 1971. Despite these improvements, the American presence was significant.

It was during these years that George W. Bush logged the largest number of flight hours; precisely when he was needed the most, during the period of greatest likelihood he would be called into active duty for his country. According to his superiors, that service proved exemplary; Bush’s commanders peppered his five-plus year service record with commendations. In 1970, an evaluator raved Bush "clearly stands out as a top notch fighter interceptor pilot," calling the future president "a natural leader whom his contemporaries look to for leadership." How prophetic.

Over the next two years, the pace of President Nixon’s troop draw-downs would accelerate faster than he intended. This is also when the president (intentionally) decreased the number of draftees, soon phasing out conscription altogether. The last American ground troops were removed on August 23, 1972. Seven months later, Nixon pronounced, "The day we have all worked and prayed for has finally come," as he withdrew the last American troops from Vietnam in March 1973. And this was when George W. Bush put in only the minimum fly time necessary – when he was least needed and least likely to be called into service.

By 1972, the services were overrun with grounded pilots. In yesterday’s edition of The Hill, Byron York quotes retired Colonel William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971. Campenni recalled:


In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots. The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.

By the time Bush put in for an early discharge, after he met all the fly time required, the Air Force was scrambling to shed unneeded officers, and there was no American presence in Vietnam whatever. The services welcomed the departure of a reservist who had logged far more than his required hours and would merely sit idle for six months. They had no war to fight; even the "real" servicemen had been called out– to the chagrin of democratic South Vietnamese. At the insistence of Congressional Democrats, who had Nixon over a barrel thanks to Watergate, America was AWOL from this battle, and our allies would pay the price.

These facts have not killed the liberal media’s outcry over the story – for the fourth or fifth time. Although Bush has turned over all his service records – including some the military, according to regulations, should have destroyed decades ago – while Kerry has stonewalled on his, the mainstream media pounced on the Bush story (just as they ignored the Swiftboat Vets’ ads at the height of that controversy). And though every media outlet in the country hinted at a Bush connection to the Swiftboat Vets operation, only former Republican Representative Joe Scarborough had the decency to investigate the background of these new "independent" campaigners. On his show last night, Scarborough pointed out that "Texans for Truth" organizer Glenn Smith had been a consultant for MoveOn.org, promoted the anti-Bush book Bush’s Brain, and was an associate of both Paul Begala and Ann Richards.
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Old 09-15-2004, 11:29 AM   #2
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Here is another one rheaton
http://flyunderthebridge.blogspot.com/
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Old 09-15-2004, 11:47 AM   #3
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Its just amazing how the Left ignores the serious and valid questions surrounding Kerry's: Metals, Whereabouts, Statements, etc... all the while trying to cast an element of doubt upon Bush's service...esp. when Clinton dodged the draft to absolutely avoid 'Nam.
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:02 PM   #4
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Its just amazing how the Right ignores the serious and valid questions surrounding Bush's whereabouts, statements, etc... all the while trying to cast an element of doubt upon Kerry's honorable service...esp. when Bush did jack shit while real men and women were getting shot at in 'Nam.
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:05 PM   #5
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Could be worse i guess, at least he didnt go in front of senate and call all those people war criminals and baby killers and then meet with the enemy in paris while still on active duty.

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Old 09-15-2004, 12:06 PM   #6
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I'm not sure how much time needs to pass, but Godwin's Law clearly needs to be amended in such a way as to incorporate the hilarious overuse of Clinton-related deflection tactics by the right.
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:09 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
I'm not sure how much time needs to pass, but Godwin's Law clearly needs to be amended in such a way as to incorporate the hilarious overuse of Clinton-related deflection tactics by the right.
Because we still haven't recovered as a nation from what he did, or rather, failed to do?
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:11 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
I'm not sure how much time needs to pass, but Godwin's Law clearly needs to be amended in such a way as to incorporate the hilarious overuse of Clinton-related deflection tactics by the right.
It's the double standard practice of the Dem's, not the Repubs.


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Old 09-15-2004, 12:13 PM   #9
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I'm not sure how much time needs to pass, but Godwin's Law clearly needs to be amended in such a way as to incorporate the hilarious overuse of Clinton-related deflection tactics by the right.
/shrug

Probably longer than 4 years.

Incidentally, I find it absolutely hilarious that the conservatives are in firm control of the national dialogue at this point in the election and the only Dem with enough charisma to change that has -zero- credibility on the issue the Dems have chosen to focus on. GJ guys!
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:19 PM   #10
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The republicans have taken over control of the election and the DNC is flailing like a retard. they cant win on message becuase they have no message, so they are running on tabloid rumors.

Vote for me i fake stories and forge documents better than the national enquirer!
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Old 09-15-2004, 12:41 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Lurikeen
Its just amazing how the Right ignores the serious and valid questions surrounding Bush's whereabouts, statements, etc... all the while trying to cast an element of doubt upon Kerry's honorable service...esp. when Bush did jack shit while real men and women were getting shot at in 'Nam.
I thought they were killing women, children and chickens...? Wait wait wait.. it depends on if you believe Kerry's statements then or now... or if you believe organizations like the SBVfT and the likes... or Fonda and Kerry in '72.

OoooooooooooooooooooR... Like all those "other" dishonorable men that were in the reserves... cause ya know, they were only in the reserves to avoid fighting and stuff.

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Old 09-15-2004, 12:56 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Segis
Because we still haven't recovered as a nation from what he did, or rather, failed to do?
I'll bite- what did he do or fail to do?

Please please please make an ass of yourself and pretend he could have prevented 9/11
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Old 09-15-2004, 01:01 PM   #13
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Can either side explain to me why this is important? Clinton flushed this country down the toilet. Bush has been working to resurrect this country. I don't give a flying rip on what Bush and Kerry did 30 or 40 years ago. What have they done in the last 4 years, that is what is important. We all know what Bush did. It appears no one knows what Kerry did though.
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Old 09-15-2004, 01:05 PM   #14
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This was never an issue until Kerry decided he was going use vietnam as the centerpiece of his campaign.

I can tell you one thing though. after this election nobody will bring up vietnam in a presidential election ever again
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