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Old 08-18-2004, 10:10 AM   #1
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Default Another Possible 9/11 Style Attack Halted

... if you were to believe tonight's ITN newscast tagline.

Terror suspects appear in court
Wed 18 August, 2004 17:40

By Michael Holden

LONDON (Reuters) - British terror suspects charged in a plot linked to security alerts at financial targets in New York, New Jersey and Washington have made their first court appearance inside a high security prison.

After being driven to Belmarsh prison in police vans on Wednesday accompanied by armed escorts and a helicopter, the eight were brought into a court room flanked by two guards each.

They were held in the dock behind glass.

The suspects were ordered to be detained until they appear in a week at the Old Bailey.

They will be given a chance at a later date to enter a plea to charges of conspiracy to commit murder and to use explosives, chemicals or radioactive materials to cause disruption, fear or injury.

One, Dhiren Barot, 32, was also accused of having plans for four financial targets that were the subject of U.S. alerts -- the Prudential building in New Jersey, the New York Stock Exchange and Citigroup headquarters in New York, and the International Monetary Fund in Washington.

U.S. officials have said Barot is the man they have named over the past two weeks as Abu Eissa al-Hindi or Abu Musa al-Hindi and described as a top al Qaeda operative in Britain.

HASTY RAIDS

The other suspects are Omar Abdur Rehman, 20, Zia Ul Haq, 25, Abdul Aziz Jalil, 31, Nadeem Tarmohamed, 26, Mohammed Naveed Bhatti, 24, Quaisir Shaffi, 25 and Junade Feroze, 28.

A ninth man arrested with them also appeared on charges of possessing an illegal firearm.

He pleaded not guilty and was freed on bail.

Britain has arrested more than 600 terror suspects since the September 11 attacks but has charged fewer than 100 and convicted only 15 of terrorism offences.

The raids two weeks ago -- carried out in evident haste after the U.S. alert, with some suspects pulled from shops and others held in a high-speed car chase -- had a more urgent tone than previous anti-terrorism swoops.

U.S. officials said they imposed the alert in the United States because they had discovered reports showing detailed plans of the financial targets, following the July arrest in Pakistan of Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan, 25.

Pakistani intelligence sources say Khan, an al Qaeda communications expert, cooperated with the authorities to help catch his al Qaeda contacts abroad.

But the undercover sting operation was compromised when his name appeared in U.S. newspapers the morning after Washington announced its alert. Britain swooped on the suspects the next day in coordinated raids across the country.
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After the international intelligence community was pretty much slammed in recent reports, this is refreshing news. Hopefully this will open up more avenues of investigation and we can catch more of these people.
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Old 08-18-2004, 10:22 AM   #2
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An interesting point is that the Brits have been doing these sort of operations for years. I have never read about an intel failure with regard to catching bad guys in their own country... not that failures haven't happened... I just haven't read about them.
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Old 08-18-2004, 10:28 AM   #3
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Making mistakes is only human, so I suppose it has happened. Nothing springs to mind tho'. One thing to consider about British intelligence; it has had around 30 years of experience tracking terrorists in the UK and Ireland.
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Old 08-18-2004, 11:16 AM   #4
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not to mention sean connery and roger moore. hell they've done wonders for British intel.

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Old 08-18-2004, 11:40 AM   #5
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What's odd is how successful they are with their intelligence. What else is odd is how well all of our other Presidents worked with intelligence and had no major failures. And what else is odd is how our current president has spent his whole term living on intelligence failures. Not just one failure, but two. And what else is odd is how he doesn't seem to want to fix these failures. Perhaps he likes having them as an excuse.
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Old 08-18-2004, 12:34 PM   #6
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What's really super-duper-ultra-mega-hella odd is that this is an article about events that transpired in England, yet you still turn it into theories of Bush failures. Bumbler, you don't even have to post anything anymore, because it's the same old shit. You could make a post that contained nothing more than a period, and everyone would know exactly what the fuck you meant. Time for a new record, you broke the shit out of that one long ago.
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Old 08-18-2004, 06:51 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
What's odd is how successful they are with their intelligence. What else is odd is how well all of our other Presidents worked with intelligence and had no major failures. And what else is odd is how our current president has spent his whole term living on intelligence failures. Not just one failure, but two. And what else is odd is how he doesn't seem to want to fix these failures. Perhaps he likes having them as an excuse.
You forgot to mention he inherited Clinton's intelligence failures.
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Old 08-18-2004, 06:57 PM   #8
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Mumbles makes a great point, Bush had the worst intel to work with due to the previous administration meltdown of defense and military.
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Old 08-18-2004, 07:34 PM   #9
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You forgot to mention he inherited Clinton's intelligence failures.
What are you talking about, each administration is created and ends in its own independent bubble! There is no relation between them and every single success and failure is entirely due to the current admin and nothing else!

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Old 08-19-2004, 04:13 AM   #10
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Shame on you, Tuan, for mentioning bumbler and logic in the same line.

What's really a riot is bumbler criticizing Bush's military relocation plan, saying it's just to mask the fact that we don't have enough troops. Well, whose fault do you think that is? I seem to remember a previous President making mucho military cutbacks.
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:03 AM   #11
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im sure those cutbacks were made with full knowledge of bush taking us to war.
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What did you expect us to do after 9/11, turn the other cheek? And i'm not even talking about Iraq. Even if we'd never set foot in Iraq, military cutbacks hurt. It isn't Bush's fault that Clinton didn't have the forsight to imagine a threat to our country.
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:54 AM   #13
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but it's clinton's fault that bush didn't use enough troops? the troops were there. bush just didnt use them. how is that clinton's fault?


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What did you expect us to do after 9/11, turn the other cheek? And i'm not even talking about Iraq. Even if we'd never set foot in Iraq, military cutbacks hurt. It isn't Bush's fault that Clinton didn't have the forsight to imagine a threat to our country.
Military cutbacks would not have set us back anywhere in Afghanistan. And this is assuming Clinton had full knowledge of the events that took place on 9/11, and the consequences thereof. Even if cutbacks did have a seemingly noticeable effect on efforts in Afghanistan, our allies would have stepped up to help us.
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:58 AM   #14
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I am not the one saying our military is understaffed, bumbler is. I simply pointed out who he could thank for that.
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:07 AM   #15
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So let me get this straight....

Military is not understaffed.

therefore, we had the troops for a solid occupying force

but bush didn't use them.

And that's Clinton's fault?
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:38 AM   #16
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You're drawing conclusions from assumptions. I have no idea if our military is understaffed or not. What I DO know is that Clinton made some cuts in our military. So if anyone feels that we don't have enough troops, they know who to thank. Am I getting through at all yet?
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Don't worry about it Foust. The poster cheerleader for the Republican party likes to claim she isn't in support of Bush, but she takes ample opportunity to ALWAYS defend them.

Wildane, shake your booty for your Republican benefactors over this one... Bush, Sr. started the military cuts. Guess you didn't know that did you?
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Yes sir, Mr. Ass Clown Heckler sir!!
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