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Old 03-03-2004, 12:10 PM   #1
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Default WTF Kenowa Hills Public Schools!!

Michigan teacher must cover cost of substitute while on military duty

http://www.freep.com/news/latestnews...3_20040303.htm

And they say they are doing him a favor?!?!?!
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:14 PM   #2
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I have an idea..why don't they make the district superintendant pay the substitute fees, and then match and pay the guardsman salary just for defending his country.

Superintendant should be fired, and that school district needs to have it's rules and regulations completely overhauled.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:15 PM   #3
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No way that is legal.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:18 PM   #4
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Can you show that he is losing out on the arrangement? The article shows nothing to indicate thats the case. Facts are your friend.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:20 PM   #5
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That is the most cowardly piece of chicken-shit, behind-the-scenes backstabbing, Ive ever seen.

WTF are these people thinking?
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:21 PM   #6
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This should have nothing to do with patriotic duty. The school district is flat out wrong for taking money from a teacher to pay for a substitute for any reason. If this guy was in the hospital, would the district require him to turn over his disability pay?

The school superintendent should be fired.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:23 PM   #7
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Can you show that he is losing out on the arrangement? The article shows nothing to indicate thats the case.
He is being forced to pay the District 6 days of his Military Pay. Depending on his paygrade, this could be substantial. So he is losing 6 days income.

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Old 03-03-2004, 12:23 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by ShardmoonVer.1
Can you show that he is losing out on the arrangement? The article shows nothing to indicate thats the case. Facts are your friend.
Yes, he is losing out on a $152 a day. Reading is your friend.
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Holy shit..

Lurikeen and I agreed. I feel so..dirty...
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:26 PM   #10
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It's just flat out wrong to charge a reservist called up for active duty for his replacement. The school superintendant should be stoned to death with the other sinners (as mentioned in today's other top thread)
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If Im not mistaken...The Soldiers & Sailors relief act has a clause whereby employers are required to hold the jobs of its employess, if they're recalled to active duty...for the duration of their service.

Dont recall anywhere it saying they had to pay to retain a substitute, hehe.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:27 PM   #12
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Why Trith? Ya'll's balls touch?

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Old 03-03-2004, 12:33 PM   #13
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:40 PM   #14
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That article only showed a partial picture and I would be interested to see what the teacher in question has to say. So far all I see is a lot of crying foul and finger pointing.

Is the figure of the teacher coming out 573.00 ahead inaccurate? From what I am reading, the district is being pretty creative when dealing with its employees. Would you prefer he have no benefits or pay for that time period? According to the article he is still being paid his teachers salary for the entire period. He is just being asked to compensate the school district for their expenses.
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Old 03-03-2004, 12:43 PM   #15
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During the 10 days Bernhardt will be gone from the classroom, he will use two personal days and two compensation days during his time off.
Pretty clear to me. He's burning vacation to get the time off..not getting paid..and being made to pay the school his Guard salary. WTF is wrong with people that think this is OK?
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If he is being called to serve his country...hehe, even if its to Italy...he should not have to pay money out of his pocket, to meet his obligation.
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Lurikeen and I agreed. I feel so..dirty...
Keep your hands in your own pockets lest the LORD Almighty smite you for your wickedness.

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Keep your hands in your own pockets lest the LORD Almighty smite you for your wickedness.
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Looks like the Lord smote your HTML skills..

Ooo you sneaky you fixed it.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:00 PM   #20
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There's some missing info here. It's clearly illegal to not hold a person's job while on guard duty- I imagine there must be something else going on here for this to even be an issue.
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What may be clear to you, isnt as clear as you might think. I read it as him using personal days and vacation to save himself from having to pay for the sub during those 4 days.

The article isnt clear what status those other 6 days fall under. It does say he is being asked to forfeit his military pay for those days, which leads me to believe its under the same sort of arrangements most businesses use for Jury Duty. You receive your full pay, but have to turn over any money earned while serving.

The only grey area here is asking him to pay for the substitute teacher for those 6 days. Until I hear otherwise from the teacher, I am going to assume it was a beneficial agreement to both parties.

Did you know military service on most jobs doesnt count towards your seniority or tenure status? Perhaps the teacher wanted to count those weeks for that reason so entered into the agreement.
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Ok, Shard...that is logical. Also you brought up some points I didn't consider. Id love to hear from the individual in question.

If he isnt screaming about it, then you may be correct.
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Old 03-03-2004, 01:17 PM   #23
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The article is another in a long line of shoddy editorial journalism. It wasnt designed to inform the public, but to push an agenda. I wouldnt be suprised if the paper has a history of conflict with the local administration and is playing the patriotic card to paint them as Un-American.

The best part is, it works. We have people from both sides of the political aisle in this thread condemning the evil school board.
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Old 03-03-2004, 04:34 PM   #24
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The article is another in a long line of shoddy editorial journalism. It wasnt designed to inform the public, but to push an agenda. I wouldnt be suprised if the paper has a history of conflict with the local administration and is playing the patriotic card to paint them as Un-American.

The best part is, it works. We have people from both sides of the political aisle in this thread condemning the evil school board.
Lest we all forget...the number one goal of media companies is to make money. Without that, nothing else matters. "The public's right to know" and "informing the public" are mantras used by the media companies to guarantee their access to information and to lend an air(e) of credence to their jobs.

That doesn't mean that there aren't a number of laudable, credible media sources - after all, they bank on people trusting and appreciating them - but for every Washington Post or CNN there's a NYTimes or a Fox News :-)

To stay more on topic - down here (Arizona) you can only receive travel reimbursement for jury duty unless selected to a jury...is this typical of other states, and would an employer be entitled to this money if they granted jury duty pay?

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Its specifics like that which are missing from the article. Instead it has a screaming headline about how this poor put upon patriot is being put down by the system and very little detailed information.

No one thinks its strange that the guy being abused the system hasnt even been questioned for the article?
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