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Old 05-26-2004, 09:11 AM   #1
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Default How many Good Guys

How many good guys do we need to tell us that we are doing this wrong before we realize that we are not taking the moral high-ground?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

The Red Cross, Amnesty International, the UN. This whole concept of I'm the only one right and the rest of the world is wrong just doesn't fly. We have made a mockery of our country in the name of personal goals.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:19 AM   #2
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:27 AM   #3
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Did I just read in the above post the UN is considered "good guys", or did my contacts suddenly dry out and everything go blurry?

Pardon me while I pass out from laughing too hard.



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Old 05-26-2004, 09:31 AM   #4
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The UN is the good guys? The UN, who has Libya as the head of the Human Rights commission, is a good guy? The UN, who is embroiled in scandal where it oversaw illegal oil sold by Iraq, is a good guy?

Amnesty International is the good guys? The same organization that wants the US to usurp it's authority to punish criminals are good guys?

The Red Cross is the good guys? The same organization that is routinely in either a financial scandal or financial mess are the good guys?

Yeppers, with good guys like this. Who needs Saddam in power?
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:35 AM   #5
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Oh, yeah, Yendar and Flub have forgotten that the United States is a leading member of the UN. So, I guess the US isn't one of those good guys at the UN?
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:41 AM   #6
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If we are a leading member then we are one of the good guys. So if that is the case how can it be 'that we are not taking the moral high-ground' and 'have made a mockery of our country in the name of personal goals.' ? After all since the UN is mad at the US, and we are a leading member of the UN, are we mad at ourselves?

And if we are mad at ourselves are we going to go before the UN and ask that we be sanctioned? And then when the vote comes before the Security Council we can pull a Kerry and vote for it, before we vote against it?
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:42 AM   #7
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I seem to remember a lot of Germans thought their country was doing the right thing in the late 1930s. Word to the wise- nationalism is not an excuse to kill others.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:44 AM   #8
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Now the thread is official. Can't be official until there is a Nazi reference from the left.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:49 AM   #9
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Wrong Flub- please complete the cycle and call one of us a communist- only then is it official. Socialist for the left and fascist for the right will due in a pinch, but really it needs Nazi and Communist to be pure.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:50 AM   #10
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Hey bumble, remember this quote:

Originally Posted by bumbleroot
You cons look to Bush for your moral leadership. When he provides it and enflames the issue by promoting it in his State of the Union address (remember a constitutional amendment) he pretty much is advocating reactive measures. Strong leadership doesn't advocate divisive measures but inclusive measures.
You never did answer this question:

Do you know that your boy, for now, Kerry is against gay marriage too? I guess Kerry is also advocating divisive measures.
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Old 05-26-2004, 09:51 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Hormadrune
Wrong Flub- please complete the cycle and call one of us a communist- only then is it official. Socialist for the left and fascist for the right will due in a pinch, but really it needs Nazi and Communist to be pure.
Don't correct me you Communist bastard.
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Originally Posted by Flub Man
If we are a leading member then we are one of the good guys. So if that is the case how can it be 'that we are not taking the moral high-ground' and 'have made a mockery of our country in the name of personal goals.' ? After all since the UN is mad at the US, and we are a leading member of the UN, are we mad at ourselves?

And if we are mad at ourselves are we going to go before the UN and ask that we be sanctioned? And then when the vote comes before the Security Council we can pull a Kerry and vote for it, before we vote against it?
You also seem to have forgotten that the UN is comprised of many other members, too. Members with a voice and they are decrying US action in Iraq as they did actions by the former Soviet Union, for example.
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Do you know that your boy, for now, Kerry is against gay marriage too? I guess Kerry is also advocating divisive measures.
That's funny, I don't recall Kerry campaigning against it or even advocating something be done to the Constitution to fix that. He has a stance but his view is to let the states handle it. Bush wants to actually tell the states what to do.
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:00 AM   #14
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Lurikeen,

Since you have an uncanny ability to know what people have or have not forgotten, please tell us here on these boards the names of every country other than the United States that makes up the UN. That way if anyone ever "forgets" all they have to do is come here to read this thread.

Btw, my personal opinion is that the United States should leave the UN, stop all funds that go to that organization, and put the time, effort, and money to better use here at home helping stop our own problems.



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Old 05-26-2004, 10:00 AM   #15
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:07 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Yendar
Btw, my personal opinion is that the United States should leave the UN, stop all funds that go to that organization, and put the time, effort, and money to better use here at home helping stop our own problems.
Try going to http://www.un.org/ for a complete list of member states, Yendar.

Leaving the UN would be a huge mistake politcally and economically. Do you really want to see the EU or some other alliance in control of international trade and other policies?
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Old 05-26-2004, 10:15 AM   #17
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Hmm,

Ask to have the names of the countries other than the United States that make up the UN, and I get a link that probably took all of 2 minutes to find on Google

Does the UN control international trade, or does the free market dictate such actions and the UN just go along with whatever puts more $ in their pockets?

As far as politics, its all a game.



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Yendar, are you incapable of finding the list at the UN site? Or are you such a gimp that you need me to cut and paste it here for you?

As far as trade goes, if you have to ask that question, then you really aren't familiar with the process of international treaties and international regulations and how internation institutions such as the UN affects them.
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:02 AM   #19
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Lurikeen,

I am just as capable as you with the ability to click a link and search for something. That is not my point. My point was that you made a blind assumption about people, and when asked to do something very simple to help alleviate this "forgetfulness" you said I had, you decided to take an even easier way out.

As far as what the UN controls or does not control, effects or does not effect, I do not think it would matter if the United States stayed a member or not. In MY opinion (like it matters to anyone but me) if the United States pulled out of the UN and stopped the financial backing, the UN would come begging for us to rejoin before too long.

If you want to get into childish name calling, go back to the third grade. If you would like to continue this discussion like rational adults , please be civil.



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Old 05-26-2004, 11:11 AM   #20
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ROFL @ Yendar. Taking yourself a little too seriously? I made no blind assumptions, but I did use sarcasm to make my points. Apparently you didn't quite catch that.

The US will not pull out of the UN. Your speculation that the rest of the member states would "come begging for us to rejoin" is nothing more than arrogant self-aggrandizement.

As far as your "continue this discussion like rational adults" comment goes... perhaps if you had initially approached the topic like an adult ( rather than as a child ), your remark could be taken seriously. As it stands it is laughable.
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:46 AM   #21
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Lurikeen,

I take myself very seriously, is there anything wrong with that?

I am glad you hold such high speculation of my opinion.

Thank you for this short discussion, but it now must come to an end

Live your life Lurikeen, we shall not chat again.



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Old 05-26-2004, 12:00 PM   #22
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Heh the red cross are the good guys? didnt they keep the majority of the money donated after 9/11 instead of putting it where it belonged with the families of the survivors? The UN with their Oil For $$$ program sure must be the good guys, too bad not good for the US.
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Old 05-26-2004, 12:28 PM   #23
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The cons would villify any group, regardless of their past achievements with charity and humanitarianism, if it suited their political agenda. This is clear demonstration of that fact.
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Old 05-26-2004, 12:47 PM   #25
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Funny Horm, I was thinking the same thing about the liberals and the United States.
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