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Old 05-24-2004, 10:05 AM   #1
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Default Bush cowers to Democrats

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

Seems like everything Bush did failed so he is adopting the plan of Democrats. Who, by the way, were right all along.
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Powell told Bush that the Dems have a sensible plan and his plan for divine providence just wasn't working.
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Old 05-24-2004, 10:37 AM   #2
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Some points

Cower Pronunciation: kouẽr
Verb 1. cower - crouch or curl up; "They huddled outside in the rain"
huddle
crouch, stoop, bend, bow - bend one's back forward from the waist on down; "he crouched down"; "She bowed before the Queen"; "The young man stooped to pick up the girl's purse"
2. cower - show submission or fear
fawn, grovel, cringe, crawl, creep
bend, flex - form a curve; "The stick does not bend"
Where is Bush cowering? Where in your article does it mention Bush proposing this? Finally since when is that idea anything unique to only democrats?
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Old 05-24-2004, 11:25 AM   #3
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Finally since when is that idea anything unique to only democrats?
A bit of Revisionism eh Chuk? Or perhaps you either haven't been listening or are just too stupid to understand that this has been said since Day One.
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day one of what and where is your proof?
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Oh and Bumbler this idea is from both the US and Britain.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120723,00.html

UNITED NATIONS The United States and Britain presented a new U.N. resolution Monday endorsing the June 30 handover of power in Iraq and authorizing a U.S.-led multinational force to keep the peace

The resolution was introduced Monday at a closed-door meeting of the U.N. Security Council. Council ambassadors heading into the meeting, who had received advanced copies of the draft, reacted positively.

Germany's U.N. Ambassador Gunter Pleuger said the U.S.-British draft was "a good basis for discussion."
Oh wait here is somehting from the Bush administration!

Bush administration officials have made clear that U.S. troops who make up the vast majority of the forces in Iraq would remain strictly under U.S. command only and not be commanded by either the U.N. or by commanders from other nations.
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The resolution asks for a US-led international force...what Bush asked for from the get-go. This option has always been on the plate for the administration...it's just that folks like you don't think Bush was smart enough to think of it first.

Lenin referred to apologists for the brutality of the Soviet state and the worldwide socialist cause as useful idiots.

Bumbleroot, you are a useful idiot to our enemies...and so are all the other liberals.
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Old 05-24-2004, 01:09 PM   #7
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Ah yes- "useful idiots" that cute, yet completely baseless pet euphamism of the right for the left. Yet another attempt by the right to paint any criticism of a sitting Republican administration as apologism or tacit approval of the enemy (in this case Iraqis opposing the occupying force or militant Islamists).

GG repugs- it was stupid where it pertained to Communism and it's stupid in current usage as well.
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Old 05-24-2004, 03:35 PM   #8
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No, the dems plan was to give Iraq to the UN and let all the other countries dip their hands in when they did nothing to help in the start. If you notice, it says the US will still be in command--not the UN.
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Yes, after all it's our oil isn't it!!!

Oh wait, did I say that out loud?
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Old 05-24-2004, 05:48 PM   #10
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Horm, please post where the US is taking the oil out of Iraq. If that were the case, then I don't think we'd be experiencing the prices we are right now. The oil in Iraq is for the people in Iraq--for the rebuilding of the country. That is just another democratic below-the-belt tactic of trying to accuse the Bush admin of things they aren't doing. Pretty lame. Why don't you ask your boy Kerry why he voted against using our OWN oil? Bush had a feasible energy plan, you idiots voted it down, now you try and blame him for the prices--but either way, it is evident we aren't getting anything from the oil in Iraq.
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Old 05-24-2004, 05:53 PM   #11
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No, the dems plan was to give Iraq to the UN and let all the other countries dip their hands in when they did nothing to help in the start.
That is all spin that you stupidly bought into. You can not show a single instance where this was the plan because it doesn't exist.
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Old 05-24-2004, 05:56 PM   #12
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I want my money back for the time I wasted reading
this Bumbleroot rerun. Horm, you're not a very good usher.

Just another flamebaited post by a kid who never got enough
attention from his single parent.




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Old 05-24-2004, 05:57 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
That is all spin that you stupidly bought into. You can not show a single instance where this was the plan because it doesn't exist.
Thats right. Your right Bumbleroot! WHOOHOO! The dems never had a plan
because it never existed. Now your waking up.




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Old 05-24-2004, 06:00 PM   #14
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The only plan the dems had was to NOT go to war, After we went to war.
Nice plan huh? 87 billion after I voted against it bleh bleh bleh.



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Old 05-24-2004, 07:45 PM   #15
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That is all spin that you stupidly bought into. You can not show a single instance where this was the plan because it doesn't exist.
Why didnt you answer my questions Bumble? You have NO proof at all or even a point for this thread other than that you mindlessly hate George Bush.
There is no spin, even from you, you cant spin what you dont have.
Bumble scores 0 once again.
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Old 05-24-2004, 07:56 PM   #16
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Read it and weep, Bumble--Here is Kerry's Plan, right off his website:

A Strategy for Success in Iraq
To establish security and move forward with the transition to Iraqi sovereignty, the President must show true leadership in going to the major powers to secure their support of Lakhdar Brahimis mission, the establishment of a high commissioner for governance and reconstruction, and the creation of a NATO mission for Iraq. These steps are critical to creating a stable Iraq with a representative government and secure in its borders. Meeting this objective is in the interests of NATO member states, Iraqs neighbors and all members of the international community. True leadership means sharing authority and responsibility for Iraq with others who have an interest in Iraqs success. Sharing responsibility is the only way to gain new military and financial commitments, allowing America to truly share the burden and the risk.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/iraq/

He states it clearly--"the President must show true leadership in going to the major powers", "True leadership means sharing authority and responsibility for Iraq with others who have an interest in Iraqs success."

If you want, I can dig up about another 20 websites where Kerry clearly states his intentions of having the international community rebuilding Iraq--Bush is rebuilding Iraq WITH the US in control, not handing it over to the UN as Kerry would.

Here is more:

If I'm president, I will not only personally go to the UN, I will go to other capitals. . . . I will immediately reach out to other nations in a very different way from this administration. Within weeks of being inaugurated, I will return to the UN and I will literally, formally rejoin the community of nations and turn over a proud new chapter in America's relationship with the world."

No matter how the question is put, Kerry's answers on Iraq always boil down to a single recipe: Shrink the US role in Iraq and defer to the United Nations instead.

"We need a new Security Council resolution to give the United Nations real authority in the rebuilding of Iraq. . . . This shift of authority from the United States to the United Nations is indispensable."



http://www.boston.com/news/politics/...rys_un_fetish/

So these countries and the UN did not back us, but they want a piece of the pie. Kerry is willing to hand it to them on a silver platter. Yeah, what a great guy!!

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Old 05-24-2004, 08:45 PM   #17
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I love it...

You world peace loving pansies alway boil the war down to oil. The current push for helping the Iraqi people form their own democracy is about oil?

Surely has nothing to do with the fact that on Sept. 11th the following occurred.

1. 2 planes hit the WTC complex = The backbone of the US stock and exchange system.

2. 1 plane crashed into the Pentagon = The backbone of US Intelligence & Military Ops.

3. 1 plane crashes in a field outside Washington D.C. = Our Senators / Representatives / Current Adminstration reside in this area. Suspected to be targeting the White House.

The attack's intent was to hit all 3 of these areas at once and shake the foundations of our Democracy.


The puprose from the VERY START has been stated you jackasses.

WE ARE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT THIS WAR TO OUR SOIL.

Homodune is using his limp logic to equate our efforts in Iraq to simple piracy. I suggest he backs off his 3-foot graphix bong and turn volume down on his "Freedom Rock Limited Edition" cd set just long enough to realize that these people come from that region (Iraq). We are targeting Islamic Fundamentalist who are using terrorist tactics around the world. Pay attention to this.

Oh...and another thing.

The outcry for the iraqi people / prisoner abuse is fucking classic from you liberal lobotomites. ( I agree fully that individuals in our military fucked up and should pay the price for the abuse / crimes ) But were was your outcry for the plight of the Iraqi people before 1990?

Did anyone even care or know about the mass murders of Kurdish and Iraqi people under Saddam orders?

Did any of you reactionary, jizzlapping, "Give Peace a Chance", Love-In, eco-freakin, bush beating, tree huggers even know about the crimes commited by the very leaders of the country prior to Operation Infinte Justice?

Odds are the answer is a resounding NO.

You only chime in on issues that allow you to further your commitment to bash our sitting President. Get a new tune Homo...because your tactics are transparent and very tired.

I find it comical you try to act so intelligent, yet you parrot liberal propaganda like mindless twit who seeks stand up to the republicans.

Islamic Terrorism didn't start when Bush took office....it dates back beyond the Carter Adminstration in the early 70's and we are just now getting started on doing what both parties have left unchecked for decades.

Bush is leading rather then taking polls, and chatting up skirt hugging punks like yourself to decide his actions, unlike previous *cough* clinton *cough* presidents that turned the polls for his politics.

Try using your own mind a minute before you respond with more trash.

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Old 05-24-2004, 09:13 PM   #18
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You world peace loving pansies...
As opposed to war loving chickenhawks? Gosh! I don't know ANYONE that wants world peace. If I did, I would kick them in the nuts for being such pansies.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:21 PM   #19
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As opposed to war loving chickenhawks? Gosh! I don't know ANYONE that wants world peace. If I did, I would kick them in the nuts for being such pansies.
RUN! It's the Arch bish-ops of Dems seeking new material that will make him queen
of another board. And possibly make a million dollars from the Kerry coffer.

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Don't care who came up with it or who takes credit, we need help out here and that is the bottom line, IMO this all war as been anything but what was planned, we need help and I hope they send in international troops galore. Need to lessen the burden on our small military, either that or bring back the draft, at the current rate we will be heading to a 1 year in Iraq 1 year in the States plan..... Not kosher at all.
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Old 05-24-2004, 09:55 PM   #21
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Ramesses,
Everything is on track and there is no need to worry.

Soon us Conservatives will be taking over the world. See,
We republ, er Conservatives have it all planned out.

We are all becoming so rich that together "AT THIS MOMENT" we're
worth way over 2-trillion dollars.

And in 10 more years we will rule the world!
Dems? Bah., Their money means squat!

100-mil here, 100-mil there. Whoop-ti-doo (Twirls finger).


The Dems have accused us Republicans of being so damn rich
over the years. Well, it's true.. I'm sad to say.

In 3-years, 4-months, and 6-days, and 12-hours, and 15-min, and 2-seconds
from my completion of this post. The world will be dominated by FREEDOM!!!

FREEDOM IN THE WORLD! Democracy in it's finest bliss.

I give you my word.
I've seen the Bush-plan.
And we are loaded with MONEY!
Nothing can stop, the unstoppable machine called REPUBLICATIONS!



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Old 05-25-2004, 04:58 AM   #22
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Lurikeen or whatever you call yourself.

For 30plus years the U.S. has PAID FOR PEACE and waited for it to happen...did it work?

Our tax dollars find their way to Palistine, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, etc, in the form of hard currency or foreign aid. We actualy pay them not to kill each other, and attack us.

We attempted to use trade sanctions, technology embargos, and oil for food programs to avoid war.

Yet while doing this for over 30 years, numerous attacks upon AMERICAN targets continue.

So at what point do law making, failed UN resolutions, and flat out bribes become pointless?

Maybe when the very people we pay to be placid plan and execute attacks within our country?

Here is a newflash for you....

We are taking out Islamic based terrorist cells worldwide not just in Iraq. However it is a proven fact that countries in the Iraqi region allows/allowed these organizations to build multi-million dollar bunk complexes, roam and recruit freely within it boarders, and possibly fund them.

So you keep humming "give peace a chance" while the rest of the United States bucks up and finally attends to our defense after 30 years of politics, payola, and provocative attacks.

The simple fact is that these people don't want peace. I am all ears to any plan you have to change the mindset of the people who pilot planes into our cities. I am willing to listen to suggestions to that will end my friends giving their lives to protect, and preserve peace. But I'm pretty sure it has all been said and done.

Enjoy the peace we are paying while you continue to spew your idiocy

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Ah, a new monkey to tie to the whipping post- thanks for volunteering douchebag
Originally Posted by Ariochx
You world peace loving pansies alway boil the war down to oil. The current push for helping the Iraqi people form their own democracy is about oil?
Yeah- war rules, fuck world peace! Anyway, I'm curious, are you currently serving our nation in the armed forces, or are you just another chickenhawk repug? Just curious.... I'm not- but then again I'm not supporting wars of dubious merit on the backs of other men.

Yes- the oil was a cheapshot- and it never fails to get under the skin of the more self-important cons on this board. Perhaps it cuts too close to home? If it was so far from the truth I wonder why you guys foam at the mouth any time that it's brought up? I'm not sure....

Originally Posted by Ariochx
Surely has nothing to do with the fact that on Sept. 11th the following occurred.

1. 2 planes hit the WTC complex = The backbone of the US stock and exchange system.

2. 1 plane crashed into the Pentagon = The backbone of US Intelligence & Military Ops.

3. 1 plane crashes in a field outside Washington D.C. = Our Senators / Representatives / Current Adminstration reside in this area. Suspected to be targeting the White House.

The attack's intent was to hit all 3 of these areas at once and shake the foundations of our Democracy.

The puprose from the VERY START has been stated you jackasses.

WE ARE GOING AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT THIS WAR TO OUR SOIL.
Wait a minute: Iraq conducted the terrorist activities of 9/11? OMG Ariochx- you solved the mystery!!!!! moron....

Originally Posted by Ariochx
The outcry for the iraqi people / prisoner abuse is fucking classic from you liberal lobotomites. ( I agree fully that individuals in our military fucked up and should pay the price for the abuse / crimes ) But were was your outcry for the plight of the Iraqi people before 1990?

Did anyone even care or know about the mass murders of Kurdish and Iraqi people under Saddam orders?

Did any of you reactionary, jizzlapping, "Give Peace a Chance", Love-In, eco-freakin, bush beating, tree huggers even know about the crimes commited by the very leaders of the country prior to Operation Infinte Justice?

Odds are the answer is a resounding NO.
Are you really this stupid or are you trying too hard? You show me a single instance of a liberal on this board denying the fact that Saddam Hussein was a tyrannical monster and I'll eat my hat. But you won't, because everyone on this board agrees on that fact- SH was a maniac and needed to be removed. Where we differ is on how to have accomplished that goal.

I can see you think you're on a roll though, so keep making shit up to keep it going, it really shows your lack of integrity and keeps me laughing. Pure gold dipshit- 24 karat!

Originally Posted by Ariochx
You only chime in on issues that allow you to further your commitment to bash our sitting President. Get a new tune Homo...because your tactics are transparent and very tired.
You ever think- just for a second- that I actually believe all this stuff- that it's not simply said so I can bash Bush? Chew on that for a while, maybe you'll figure it out.

Originally Posted by Ariochx
I find it comical you try to act so intelligent, yet you parrot liberal propaganda like mindless twit who seeks stand up to the republicans.
I don't try to act like anything. I post my thoughts same as anyone. If you could remove the cock of neocon dogma from your colon for long enough to think straight (witty?), you might understand this

Originally Posted by Ariochx
Bush is leading rather then taking polls, and chatting up skirt hugging punks like yourself to decide his actions, unlike previous *cough* clinton *cough* presidents that turned the polls for his politics.
Yes- wouldn't want to use diplomacy or think about what the people who he serves want- that would surely be a sign of weakness? You must have a strong jaw to have held on so tightly to his nuts through all this shit.

The Clinton dig was cute too. I'm not a Clinton fanboi, but I love how you willingly stack up your job-losing, war-monger pretzeldent against a guy that presided over a time of relative peace and prosperity. Not saying there weren't problems during the Clinton era, but be careful what you ask for dolt.

Lastly, I think you have an unhealthy homosexual fantasy of me. I don't know you from a pile of shit (go figure ) but I'm obviously on your mind a lot. You should probably disabuse yourself of that little daydream twinkletoes, because it's not gonna happen. I do support your right to marry Zolmaz or another like-minded fuckstick however. You can even come to Boston and invite me to the ceremony

Anyway, glad you stepped up and clearly identified yourself as a rimlicking invertebrate retard. I hate when they keep me guessing.
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Old 05-25-2004, 07:23 AM   #24
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Yes- the oil was a cheapshot- and it never fails to get under the skin of the more self-important cons on this board. Perhaps it cuts too close to home? If it was so far from the truth I wonder why you guys foam at the mouth any time that it's brought up? I'm not sure....


Hmm....I seem to remember a time when you personally attacked me, so I did same back, and my you were furious, so I guess all those things I said about you were true? According to your logic, must be.

Please enlighten the world, in your post you say that SH needed to be removed--how did you "peacefully" plan on removing him? I would like to hear about that--you dems are giving a complete about face, at first it was, we never should have gone in Iraq, now it is we needed to remove SH. You have hindsight on your side, so please tell us.

As far as your peace when Clinton was in office, I guess you call the Khobar towers, the USS Cole, the attacks on African embassies, the other World Trade Center attack peace. Clinton did nothing about it--yeah peace! Look where it got us.
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When was I furious with you Alauradana? Please link- in the meantime I'm chalking it up to typical BS on your part. I actually don't ever recall being furious with anyone on this board- I've been furious at Bush and similar criminals, but not any posters here to my knowledge. I'm afraid you overestimate your impact on my life

There's no about face: noone wanted SH in power. You're trying to create conflict of goals where there is agreement. Again- it's methodology that was the issue. Personally I would much rather have seen him removed by his own people, without Western meddling, even if by a sniper. Failing that, and here's where you contards go nuts, I think it should have been a UN-led action, not a US-led action supported by puppet states and yes-men like Blair.

As to Clinton-era peace you'll note that I said relative peace. It's not even a big word- figure it out.
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