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Old 05-21-2010, 10:12 AM   #1
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Default ICE will refuse to take illegals caught by Arizona

Just on FNC

Ice will refuse to accept Arizona Illegals.

It seems to me that this is 'rule by fiat'?

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Old 05-21-2010, 10:55 AM   #2
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:02 AM   #3
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...erred-arizona/

I had to wait for FNC to update their website
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:02 AM   #4
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Here's the story from Fox:
Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

A top Department of Homeland Security official reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.

A top Department of Homeland Security official reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.

John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, made the comment during a meeting on Wednesday with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, the newspaper reports.

"I don't think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution," Morton told the newspaper.

The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, he said, and not a patchwork of state laws.

The law, which criminalizes being in the state illegally and requires authorities to check suspects for immigration status, is not "good government," Morton said.

In response to Morton's comments, DHS officials said President Obama has ordered the Department of Justice to examine the civil rights and other implications of the law.

"That review will inform the government's actions going forward," DHS spokesman Matt Chandler told Fox News on Friday.

Meanwhile, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.

"ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel," Napolitano said. "It also has the discretion to deport or not to deport persons delivered to it by any government agents, even its own."

Morton, according to a biography posted on ICE's website, began his federal service in 1994 and has held numerous positions at the Department of Justice, including as a trial attorney and special assistant to the general counsel in the former Immigration and Naturalization Service and as counsel to the deputy attorney general.

Border apprehensions in Arizona, where roughly 500,000 illegal immigrants are estimated to be living, are up 6 percent since October, according to federal statistics. Roughly 6.5 million residents live in Arizona.
It's not too surprising - if ICE wanted to be doing it's job, it would be already and AZ wouldn't need to be going it along. The question is, what's AZ going to do? Build a long, long fence on the border and just drop them on the Mexico side and tell them to walk home?
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:04 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by FafnerMorell View Post
Here's the story from Fox:

It's not too surprising - if ICE wanted to be doing it's job, it would be already and AZ wouldn't need to be going it along. The question is, what's AZ going to do? Build a long, long fence on the border and just drop them on the Mexico side and tell them to walk home?
I would suggest that Arizona will simply pass a law allowing State deportations
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:17 AM   #6
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Transport them all to LA, San Diego, and San Francisco.
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:25 AM   #7
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Transport them all to LA, San Diego, and San Francisco.
Well Martigan what would you do? Seriously you are the only person I know that has even a faint grasp of what is involved
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:16 PM   #8
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I really fail to see the controversy of Arizona's law. All it means is that cops can do a little deeper background check when stopped for another infraction. However, opponents can only see the gestapo in the street, gunning down anyone who happens to be brown. Every state needs to adopt this law, since the feds aren't doing a fucking thing about it. If the feds aren't going to protect our borders, states should have the right to protect their own.
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:29 PM   #9
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I really fail to see the controversy of Arizona's law. All it means is that cops can do a little deeper background check when stopped for another infraction. However, opponents can only see the gestapo in the street, gunning down anyone who happens to be brown. Every state needs to adopt this law, since the feds aren't doing a fucking thing about it. If the feds aren't going to protect our borders, states should have the right to protect their own.
There is no controversy. They just made promises to the illegals that if elected they would NOT enforce the law.
Isnt that obvious?
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:35 PM   #10
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The only problem I have with the AZ law is that it relies on profiling. If the law clearly stated all people who interact with a law enforcement official would be checked, it would remove the discriminatory taint of just checking mexican looking dudes.
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Well Martigan what would you do? Seriously you are the only person I know that has even a faint grasp of what is involved
I would do the following:

I would make it less of an incentive to come here...

Education
Schools will no longer be able to accept students of parents who are not in the country legally, unless that student is a citizen. Since this would put more kids out on the streets, it would also make them exposed to being caught and deported along with their parents. It may also compel more illegal immigrants to leave their kids back home in Mexico (or wherever).

Health Care
I wouldn't touch this. You don't want images of folks dying on the streets of appendicitis because of fear of deportation.

Unemployment/Welfare
Show proof of citizenship when applying for welfare or unemployment.

Make it less of an incentive to hire....

Minimum $1000 fine plus a month in jail for EACH illegal immigrant that you either knowingly hire, or fail to check their immigration status thoroughly when you hire. This doesn't count when you hire a citizen contractor who subs out illegals. The contractor is liable for that.

If a company gets caught with Illegals, like the McDonalds (few of them) in Arizona... not only zing the owner of the local franchise, but levy a fine on the primary company. Hopefully this will add a bit more "key" to their turnkey operation.

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Old 05-21-2010, 12:49 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by ShardmoonVer.1 View Post
The only problem I have with the AZ law is that it relies on profiling. If the law clearly stated all people who interact with a law enforcement official would be checked, it would remove the discriminatory taint of just checking mexican looking dudes.
From what I've heard, the law only allows someone with probable cause, such as the person not having any ID or false ID being able to be checked. In fact, profiling is specifically forbidden in this law.
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I prefer a uniform standard. It will add to cost and inconvenience, but unless they specifically include language indicating they are checking every one, its too vague (for my taste). I am glad AZ is trying, but i think they can do better. Time will tell i guess.
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You gotta love the Obamessiah. If a state passes a law to protect its border because the Feds majorly fail to do so, and thereby immensely embarrasses the "anointed one's" administration, they will simply make it publicly known they reserve the right to intentionally fail at protecting our borders.

I wonder how the supporters of Obama feel about having a president in office who hates America as much as Chavez or even the president of Mexico does? That's right, Obama supporters would prefer to live in democratic socialist countries like France. Man, I wish we could deport Obama.
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Old 05-21-2010, 01:40 PM   #15
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It isnt just Obama. Congress has no balls at all. They are all guilty.
You dont compromise with criminals. You put them in jail.

By that I mean the congressmen who are stupid enough to allow Obama to do this
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Originally Posted by ShardmoonVer.1 View Post
The only problem I have with the AZ law is that it relies on profiling. If the law clearly stated all people who interact with a law enforcement official would be checked, it would remove the discriminatory taint of just checking mexican looking dudes.
Sure, it relies on profiling. If you speak with a foreign accent, chances are, they're going to check you out. You're right, they are probably going to check Hispanics the most. You know why? Well, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of foreigners in AZ are Hispanic. It's not racist, it's math.

The ONLY reason to check everybody is so nobody's feelings will get hurt. Well, boo fucking hoo. You think they wouldn't be profiling white people in Mexico? Of course they would, and they'd be right to do so.

There is no possible way to implement this law without offending someone. Upping the cost and resources to check everyone is not going to please all the people all the time, so why do it? Especially in this economy.
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TSA seems to go out of their way to demonstrate they're not "profiling" - if you're under 5 or over 90, you're prime "potential terrorist" material. It's annoying, but all part of the security theater. I wouldn't be surprised if AZ does a bit of that, just to show off their impartiality. If I was governor, I'd have them start with checking folks working at the state capitol - in theory, should be nothing to lose, and if you find a few, hey, good press.
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New Jersey decides to help everyone out, IDs for everybody!!! We could always send the 20 million or so illegals to live in New Jersey.
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Ice will refuse to accept Arizona Illegals.
I don't want them.
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Some of them have got to be hot illegals. Dont be so quick to turn them all down.
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Originally Posted by Ice Weasel X View Post
I don't want them.
Not even the hot ones?
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I'll take 'em. I hate yard work.
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:20 PM   #23
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what you do is round up all the illegals in arizona, ship them to california, and give them jobs to run inside huge hamster wheels to generate electricity.

arizona solves its immigration problem.
californians have electric power.
illegal aliens get work.
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