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Old 05-23-2003, 10:36 AM   #1
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I am sure glad the US is taking the moral high road in this Iraqi Liberation. If I hadn't been repeatedly assured that our only concern is Iraqi Freedom I would really wonder :P Here is some historical info on a few of the big players we have set up to cash in on the Iraq situation:

War Profiteers Shell, Bechtel, Fluor Take Record of Terror From Africa to Iraq
By Dena Montague
San Francisco Bay View

Wednesday 21 May 2003

As Bush creates a corporate protectorate in Iraq, many companies who stand to benefit from reconstruction and oil exploration there are familiar to Africans. Shell, Bechtel and Fluor are all associated with massacres and crimes against humanity in Africa.

Oil giant Shell had a hand in the death of Ken Saro-Wiwa and the massacre of hundreds of Ogoni in the Niger Delta of Nigeria. Bechtel has profited from and exacerbated the ongoing war in the Democratic Republic of Congo. And Flour had tight relationships with the apartheid regime of South Africa.

Shell in Nigeria

One of the latest announcements concerning executive positions in post-war Iraq was that Philip Carroll, former chief executive of Shell Oil Co., is a “a leading contender to oversee Iraqi oil production,” according to the New York Times. Carroll, who headed Shell through 1990, oversaw the company’s Nigeria operations during the dictatorship of Sani Abacha, a time of massive political upheaval. Shell was, and continues to be, the largest oil producer in Nigeria.

During the 1990s, a powerful people’s movement emerged in the Niger Delta, Nigeria’s main oil producing area, to hold the company accountable for massive environmental damage caused over decades by its operations there. The movement began with the Ogoni people, a small community of half a million, living on land which contains some of the sweetest crude oil in the world. Shell’s operations in Ogoniland devastated the people’s farming and fishing areas, which were central to their survival.

Internationally renowned political activist, author and Nobel Peace Prize nominee Ken Saro-Wiwa led the Movement for the Survival of Ogoni People (MOSOP) based on principles of non-violence. The movement was met with violent retaliation from the Nigerian military, supported and paid for in part by Shell Oil. In reaction to Ogoni protests, the Nigerian military under Abacha detained and abused thousands of Ogoni and summarily executed hundreds, including Ken Saro-Wiwa.

Carroll was CEO of Shell Oil throughout this period, and his company regularly collaborated with the Nigerian military during the uprising, according to Human Rights Watch. Shell admitted to having made direct payments to Nigerian security forces and importing arms used by the Nigerian police. In fact, the company continues to have its own police force, known by people in the region as the “Shell Police,” and that force continues to be linked to civilian deaths in the area.

The Bush administration claims it wants to ensure that the sale of Iraqi oil benefits the Iraqi people. If this is true, the man tapped to lead the revival of the Iraqi oil industry is not the right person for the job. Carroll led a corporation that collaborated with the brutal Nigerian military under Abacha and did nothing to ensure that the population benefited from the company’s presence.

To this day, Shell has failed to successfully clean up the damage left behind on Ogoniland from production operations abandoned in 1993. The Nigerian population as a whole suffers tremendous poverty in a country that lacks a functioning infrastructure, despite having in the world’s sixth largest oil producing capacity.

Is this the legacy the Bush administration plans on leaving in Iraq? It is the legacy left by Shell Oil Co. under Carroll.

Bechtel in the DRC

As one of the largest construction and engineering companies in the world, Bechtel is the top contender for hundreds of millions - and potentially billions - in reconstruction contracts for post-war Iraq. Some attention has been paid to the mess the company has made in Boston and possible conflicts of interest because of its close connections to the Bush administration.

But there are ongoing concerns about Bechtel’s role in the Democratic Republic of Congo that have not received adequate attention. Bechtel was interested in winning business in the mineral-rich Congo and established an early and friendly relationship with the rebel leader Larent Kablila in 1997 before he took control of the whole country.

Bechtel went one step further than many of its Western competitors involved in the Congo by supplying high-tech intelligence and offering to draw up a master development plan and inventory of the country’s mineral resources free of charge. According to the Wall Street Journal, the company compiled “the most complete mineralogical and geographical data of the former Zaire ever assembled, information worth a fortune to any prospective mining or oil firm.”

The company also commissioned and paid for NASA satellite studies of the country to develop detailed maps of the DRC’s mineral potential. Robert Stewart, an executive representing Bechtel International Inc., became a trusted advisor to the Congolese leader, traveling the country with Kabila.

Coincidentally, one year after Bechtel initially expressed interest in mapping the mineral data in the DRC, coltan was discovered in the eastern region. This mineral is used in cell phones, computers and high tech devices. Since the discovery of the mineral, rebel groups in the Congo have made hundreds of millions of dollars on the illicit sale of coltan to the U.S., Europe and Asia.

Fluor in South Africa

Fluor Corp. is one of the largest engineering and construction companies in the world, and it is one of Bechtel’s competitors for reconstruction contracts in Iraq.

In the 1980s, Fluor was accused of helping to further apartheid in South Africa through business dealings with the white government that enabled the company helped build what was at the time the world’s largest plant producing commercial oil from coal. The project was proposed to guarantee a domestic supply of oil as international supplies were cut off due to sanctions.

Fluor also helped build oil refineries in apartheid South Africa. As the Guardian reports, Fluor is the subject of “a multibillion dollar lawsuit claiming that it exploited and brutalized black workers in apartheid-era South Africa.” Part of the claim includes accusations that “Fluor hired security guards dressed in Ku Klux Klan robes to attack unarmed workers protesting against poor pay and conditions.”

Dena Montague is a research associate at the World Policy Institute’s Arms Trade Resource Center. Email her at montd033@newschool.edu.
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Old 05-23-2003, 12:15 PM   #2
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Shhhhh! Aackman, we don't want the public to read about this sort of thing. High ranking Republicans get their panties in a knot because they may get busted and their pawns (wannabe-white-rich-guys) come out of the wood work trying to defend their master's actions.

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Old 05-23-2003, 12:33 PM   #3
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You forgot about Halliburton. C'mon, they're the best... why leave them out?

Just a bit more on their no-bid Iraqi oil well fire fighting contract
...earlier this week, corps officials acknowledged the contract, which has no set limits on time or money, allows the subsidiary to operate Iraq's oil fields and distribute its oil, rather than just putting out fires and making repairs.
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Old 05-23-2003, 03:20 PM   #4
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Keep in mind that in order for Iraq to compete in todays market they need those companies help. I'm guessing that those companies you listed won the contracts because they were the cheapest. Should we use more of our money to pay other corporations with a better past?
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This is a political snowball. Unless the Bush administration starts talking about it and being open about it, it is going to dog Bush and Cheney. I have seen this kind of thing before. If the Bush team can keep it under wraps for a year or so, its going to really hurt him in his second term. The fact that there appears to be some momentum to questioning this whole deal is really going to start hurting Bush. The only reason that its waited until now is because before it was too close to the military victory to be addressed then.
Whether or not it was right or wrong isn't going to matter at all, what's going to matter is the perception that is going to be attached to Bush from it. I can't wait until Bushiepoo gets his rightful comeuppance.
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I'm guessing that those companies you listed won the contracts because they were the cheapest.
Nope- there wasn't any bids from my understanding. The contracts were awarded straight up.
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So tell us what company is capable to put out oil fires on such a grand scale??


Nobody else has exp like they do. And no other company is large enough.

Would you rather it take 2-months or 6-8 months?
Fact is, its a always lose situation about this topic to you ignorant
american bashers. Either any fire is to much, or It's taking to long!


Talk about a load of whinny crybabies. LMAO


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Old 05-23-2003, 06:06 PM   #8
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NO BID CONTRACTS

operate Iraq's oil fields and distribute its oil, rather than just putting out fires and making repairs.

What part of these statements are unclear?
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What part of,,
WHO ELSE IS CAPABLE OF THE JOB, is unclear?

Iraq must rebuild with oil. They need their oil.
And to rebuild their country out of poverty. America has given
them their freedom to do so.


Say, what happened to those hundreds of thousands of deaths
and all those thousands of oil fires?

Oh wait, I know. America liberated Iraq from tyranny. And through
that process gave the military and Civilians of Iraq a chance to be FREE.
Is freedom what bothers you the most? I bet it is. And your hate for America.

You lose again Vireil desease.


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operate Iraq's oil fields and distribute its oil, rather than just putting out fires and making repairs.
Texaco, Exxon, Many others are besides those with ties to the administration. Halliburton is going to operate and distribute oil, if this isn't profiting from the war I don't know what is.

Here we have a Vice President whose ex-company takes over operating and distributing oil from a country that we just took over. They do this with no-bid on the contract. This is by far the most lucrative of all actions in Iraq. It is something that is capable of being done by many other companies in a short amount of time also. Now does something sound wrong here? How much profiting is Halliburton going to do off of the war?

It greatly appears now that the reason we went in there was not to rid Iraq of WMD, but simply to take over its oil so that the men in charge can profit. Way to go Bush- thanks for all of those brave young soldiers who lost their lives because of Cheney's greed.

THIS IS WHY WE HATE GEORGE FUCKING BUSH!!!!HE SOLD OUT OUR SOLDIERS TO LINE HIS BUDDIES POCKETS WITH MONEY! GREAT PATRIOT IS HE! HE DESERVES THE SAME FATE AS MUSSOLLINI!
When the hell is America going to start asking questions instead of listening and seeing everything he does and accepting it?
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Originally posted by bumbleroot
Texaco, Exxon, Many others are besides those with ties to the administration. Halliburton is going to operate and distribute oil, if this isn't profiting from the war I don't know what is.

Here we have a Vice President whose ex-company takes over operating and distributing oil from a country that we just took over. They do this with no-bid on the contract. This is by far the most lucrative of all actions in Iraq. It is something that is capable of being done by many other companies in a short amount of time also. Now does something sound wrong here? How much profiting is Halliburton going to do off of the war?

It greatly appears now that the reason we went in there was not to rid Iraq of WMD, but simply to take over its oil so that the men in charge can profit. Way to go Bush- thanks for all of those brave young soldiers who lost their lives because of Cheney's greed.

THIS IS WHY WE HATE GEORGE FUCKING BUSH!!!!HE SOLD OUT OUR SOLDIERS TO LINE HIS BUDDIES POCKETS WITH MONEY! GREAT PATRIOT IS HE! HE DESERVES THE SAME FATE AS MUSSOLLINI!
When the hell is America going to start asking questions instead of listening and seeing everything he does and accepting it?
/CHEER Bubmble!! You go man!
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Originally posted by bumbleroot
Texaco, Exxon, Many others are besides those with ties to the administration. Halliburton is going to operate and distribute oil, if this isn't profiting from the war I don't know what is.
So in the perfect world, nobody profits from anything. Right Bumblebutt? Including the the citizens of Iraq?

Tell us all how IRAQ is capable of selling their oil without the help
of the french?

Oh wait,
I forgot. The french wants to rule the goddamn world through the UN
using the BILLIONS stored away from IRAQ's oil. And America's
contribution to the UN...

LEARN YOUR POLOTICS YOU IGNORANT FUCK!!
If your going to preach an agenda, At least know WTF your talking about.

Originally posted by bumbleroot
Here we have a Vice President whose ex-company takes over operating and distributing oil from a country that we just took over.
More disinformation Bumblebutt. Nice try though.,
Btw, Have you thought about playing LIARS POKER?


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They do this with no-bid on the contract. This is by far the most lucrative of all actions in Iraq.
Such bold statements deserve Bold proof.
To bad your a liar. And if you ask me to disprove, your in worse
trouble because you cannot back up your statement in FACT!
I didn't write it. You did!

Originally posted by bumbleroot
It is something that is capable of being done by many other companies in a short amount of time also. Now does something sound wrong here? How much profiting is Halliburton going to do off of the war?
Who else is capable of doing the job? WHO THE FUCK ELSE CAN DO
THE JOB THAT HAL CAN?

You bitch and complain but have "not one fucking answer" to WHO ELSE CAN!

Go ask your daddy. And when he doesn't have an answer, Guess what?
You might be forced to learn something on your own. *GASP!*
HOW DARE ME!


Originally posted by bumbleroot
It greatly appears now that the reason we went in there was not to rid Iraq of WMD, but simply to take over its oil so that the men in charge can profit. Way to go Bush- thanks for all of those brave young soldiers who lost their lives because of Cheney's greed.
Kinda like, people like you don't give a fuck about freedom ?
Blame bush first? Fuck the Citizens of Iraq!~! Bashing Bush is alway first with you.

And Clinton could have, should have, would have, and didn't stop 9/11...
I suppose clinton didn't take OSB because it was, awww,shucks, unpopular ?



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THIS IS WHY WE HATE GEORGE FUCKING BUSH!!!!HE SOLD OUT OUR SOLDIERS TO LINE HIS BUDDIES POCKETS WITH MONEY! GREAT PATRIOT IS HE! HE DESERVES THE SAME FATE AS MUSSOLLINI!
You are so mind fucked. Are you French?

Originally posted by bumbleroot
When the hell is America going to start asking questions instead of listening and seeing everything he does and accepting it?
Um, Unless you've been hiding in a shelter somewhere in Paris,
America is the World leader.

And GWB was elected by the people of the USA.

You french fucks are soo stupid. Living by governmental propaganda
is self destructive. Of course , Oregan, Washington state, and Californication
hold no credibility at all either.

I hope you get over your pain and stop hating people man.
God loves you Bumblebutt. Jesus died for you man.

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GOD BLESS BUMBLEBUTT FOR HE IS LOST

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Zolmaz,

I have concluded from reading your response to Bumbleroot that you masturbate more than the average person. How did I deduce such a fact? It is evident from the utter and complete self-gratifying remarks that you make.
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Originally posted by Lurikeen
Zolmaz,

I have concluded from reading your response to Bumbleroot that you masturbate more than the average person. How did I deduce such a fact? It is evident from the utter and complete self-gratifying remarks that you make.
Is that all you think about? Sex?

Originally posted by Lurikeen,
I expressed my opinion. I don't recall asking for your explanation of morality.

And, yes, I don't judge those who pracitce what some call "sodomy". Any sex that is not penis to vagina is considered Sodomy and truthfully, I very much enjoy certain types of Sodomy. I don't know a single man who doesn't.

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Shame on you Lurikeen. Shame. Shame on you.

And your argument is that I what>?

Lurikeen, You are pethetic in every way.


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Forgot the link to Lurikeens admitting he owns sodomy. Note he did so
on the boy scout thread. Freaks do as freeks are, Freeks!

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Originally posted by Zolmaz Zo'Boto
Is that all you think about? Sex?



Shame on you Lurikeen. Shame. Shame on you.

And your argument is that I what>?

Lurikeen, You are pethetic in every way.


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No argument, Zolmie... reading your postings is evidence enough that you enjoy self-gratification. That tells me that you masturbate more than the average person.

Perhaps you should seek help. You might just shake that thing right off at the rate you're likely going.
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And your point is Lurikeen?


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Lurikeen,
Admit you hate America and are not willing to adopt any policy by
any American president untill America is overrun by socialist
extremists!?.,? And Canadian Socialist frenchies..

Come on Lurikeen, Admit it!



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Originally posted by Zolmaz Zo'Boto
Lurikeen,
Admit you hate America and are not willing to adopt any policy by
any American president untill America is overrun by socialist
extremists!?.,? And Canadian Socialist frenchies..

Come on Lurikeen, Admit it!
Ugh! Still shaking it. Get help before it drops off.
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Once again, Zolmaz mises the point. I can concede that the US would need to have a company ready to go at a moments notice to put out any oil fires. This is not the situation. Halliburton was given a contract to do whatever they damn well please in Iraq with no finite terms. They didn't have to bid on it. Oh my goodness what ever happened to free market competition? They got a sweetheart deal and some want to say that ex Halliburton CEO, United States Vice President Dick Cheney has nothing to do with it. Give me a fucking break.

I've probably got the bloodiest heart around here as a liberal and am ready to dole out a super size suck on the Government teet to just about any bum off the street, but this is fucking ridiculous. I challenge anyone to provide credible and substantial evidence to the contrary.
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Once again, Zolmaz mises the point. I can concede that the US would need to have a company ready to go at a moments notice to put out any oil fires. This is not the situation. Halliburton was given a contract to do whatever they damn well please in Iraq with no finite terms. They didn't have to bid on it. Oh my goodness what ever happened to free market competition? They got a sweetheart deal and some want to say that ex Halliburton CEO, United States Vice President Dick Cheney has nothing to do with it. Give me a fucking break.

I've probably got the bloodiest heart around here as a liberal and am ready to dole out a super size suck on the Government teet to just about any bum off the street, but this is fucking ridiculous. I challenge anyone to provide credible and substantial evidence to the contrary.
Really?

Since you so smart Vireil, Tell us which companys can do the job
that Hal has done?

I'm curious since I know of no single company that has the resources
to handle such a broad spectrum of challenges. And you sound so Smart.

Tell us Anybody, I BEG OF YOU, What other company in the WORLD
could handle what HAL has done?

See, If it was up for a vote though the UN it would take months, While
all those wells would be burning and Iraq would be suffering.
And thereby causing more blame against the USA for not repairing
the infrastructure of Iraq. You socialist pethetic worms don't give a fuck
about IRAQ. You only care about your warm homes and jockeying
world politics from your fuzzy chairs while people DIE!

And you have only seen/read/about death from your little color 19" TV sets. How warm and fuzzy you must be while you suck
your boyfriends dick and take it in the ass like only a weinie boy would.

Does that make sense?


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And I'm telling you that no other company in the world is
capable of handling such a job.
C a n y o u r e a d m y t y p i n g ?

T e s t i n g . 1 2 3 . C a n y o u h e a r m e n o w ?

And you cannot name one that can because it does not exist.

And did not exist when the shit hit the fan. ("sound effect" *shit hitting the fan take one* PBBBLLATTHTHTSQUISH* its a wrap")

Do you have a problem with fact?


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GOD BLESS THE TAKOVER OF ALL THE OIL IN THE WORLD
GOD BLESS THE KILLING OF INFIDELS THROUGHOUT OIL FIELDS IN THE WORLD
GOD BLESS AMERICA"S MASSIVE NUCLEAR STOCKPILE THAT CAN ELIMINATE EARTH

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Kinda like, people like you don't give a fuck about freedom ?
I care much about Freedom, but freedom doesn't mean killing off your own citizens so your friends can get rich and probably you as well. This is treason in my opinion.

Oh and Zolmaz- why don't you read the posts man instead of spouting off. I already mentioned companies like Texaco, Exxon and there are many others who can and do this kind of work. Why was it given to an oil company with less resources and experience like Halliburton? TO LINE THEIR POCKETS. Hitler must be having a good day in hell because when Cheney has his big heart attack he is going to have a new bunkmate.
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It's pointless to bring up the Halliburton debate, none of us have enough information on it.

Also Vireil, I was addressing Aackman, and all of his companies he listed I'm sure won those contracts.
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I disagree Maximus. It is not pointless to disagree with this administration.
We said that they were not in this war for WMD. We said that oil and other reasons were there for it. What is happening is everything that we said would happen. In other words us liberals have been right so far. I can't understand how many "I told you so's" need to happen before people start realizing this administration is more than corrupt, it is evil.
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