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Old 05-31-2004, 12:49 PM   #26
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You don't have to be born lucky, you just have to work for it. I've met far too many people that have come from nothing and made a great life for themselves to believe that it's hopeless. Of course, if you're not willing to do the work in the first place, you probably don't deserve to get what you want in return.

Not sure how that's the "rich faggots" fault, however.
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Ahh so because 'some' people have managed to 'do it' that absolves you from
concerning yourself. It doesnt matter what is realistic, or what is really happening, because 'some people' have managed to 'do it'

All very vauge, all very convienient. Try giving the bank such answers when you ask for a loan.

Because in your mind, 'its not hopeless' and that therfore somehow someway
it simply HAS to be the fault of the disadvantaged. Nice logic.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:52 PM   #27
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Brigiid,

I suspect that not only were you young, but you DID get help from some agency. Quite likely school loans or some such. Well guess what, that isnt an option for certain people. You have to QUALIFY for loans to get them.
Otherwise you scrabble in the mud just to survive, like everyone else.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:54 PM   #28
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Ala,

You just stated it....YOU had a job. If you had NOT had a job, your cute little
scenario falls apart. What if there ARE NO JOBS?

No waitress, no security, no service, NO JOBS.

Oh yeah I remember, you just up and move. Where doesnt matter, and of
course the place you move to will just allow you to stay there for free.
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Old 05-31-2004, 12:56 PM   #29
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Well Shardmoon Iam certain that illegal drugs IS a big part of the economy here.
But I wont trade in human misery. If the price of my existance is to do something like that, the price is too high. I wont pimp either. Or commit
armed robbery, or the dozens of other crimes that occur on a daily basis here.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:03 PM   #30
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Inmmountains,

First realty is a con game. To profit at it you need to be a con man.
I am not. I am a nuts and bolts man. If I get a choice I like to fix broken things. It is what I would do, 'IF' I could.

In todays markets, it is easier to buy NEW things than fix the OLD things.
Its sad, but its the way they handle it.

I have no interest in Realty, I will NOT examine it. Your scenario does NOT
apply to me. I loath ALL realters because they minimize the weakness
and maximize the strengths. All giving a false impression of value.
The more they actually know, the more they conceal.

I dont live in CA, and I am happy I dont.
I am not a liberal, your barbs dont mean shit to me.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:04 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
Because in your mind, 'its not hopeless' and that therfore somehow someway
it simply HAS to be the fault of the disadvantaged. Nice logic.
In your mind, it's hopeless, and therefore somehow someway it simply HAS to be the fault of the President of the United States. Nice logic.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:05 PM   #32
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There are no jobs on the tundra in Alaska. There are no jobs in the Mojave desert. There are no jobs 342 feet undersea. There is no work to be had in the mined out hills of parts of North Dakota.

Move bitch.

Declare Bankruptcy, abandon your house, or just buy a new name on the internet. Who cares. If you arent happy that the world isnt beating a path to your doorstep and dropping million dollar porn star astronaut jobs in your lap, move. Move to sunny Mars and start a chicken joint, specialize in nuggets, call it Eat My Nuggets.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:08 PM   #33
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Brigiid,

No, I just judge the Prez on what he COULD have done, as vs what he ACTUALLY did.

He fails that simple test.

Why does that bother you so much? It is called the 'exercise of franchise'

What exactly are you so afraid of? If I am wrong, then surely Bush will win,
and all will be well.(in your world in any case)


However I will keep trying to do what 'I' choose.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:11 PM   #34
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No Shardmoon, that is what I wont do. What I will do is encourage people
to realize that the current admin doesnt meet the needs of the people.
THAT is what I will do.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:26 PM   #35
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We can argue this into the ground, but being that you'll just bring it up again in another week or two, I'm gonna bow out here shortly.

My point to you, as it has been in the past, is this:

If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever it takes to get it. You might have to work hard, and you might have to do things you don't want to do, but it's possible. It is feasible and reasonable and has been accomplished by others. The roadblocks that you've listed are not insurmountable; you just choose not to follow the path to overcome them.

You can sit there and blame everyone around you, or you can do something about your situation. The next president might not live up to your expectations either, or the one after that. Then you've wasted another 8 years of your life waiting for someone else to make your life better, and that's 8 years you won't ever get back. You choose how you spend your time, not anyone else.

In the end, you don't owe me (or anyone else) an explanation for how your life turns out. It's you that's got to live it. I'd shoot for the best one possible if I were you, current President be damned.
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:37 PM   #36
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You still didn't address my point Chiteng...

Allow me to rephrase it for you.

State governors, City Chambers of Commerce, etc. also play a roll in courting businesses to come to their area to invest money to build / manufacture / produce items. This in turn brings jobs, taxable income, etc. to that area for the city / state to reap.

My point is that others should be following Arnold's lead and actively pimp their area to foregin investors to bring jobs to their constituents.

It shouldn't be up to the president to place and propose what companies set up in which city should it?

No...and if it was you would be bitching about what city was favored with XYZ company setting in any state other then yours.

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Old 05-31-2004, 03:32 PM   #37
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Ariochx, Chit ain't replied because his hate is irrational and he has no good response so he will not answer, simple as that.
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:38 PM   #38
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We can argue this into the ground, but being that you'll just bring it up again in another week or two, I'm gonna bow out here shortly.

My point to you, as it has been in the past, is this:

If you want something bad enough, you'll do whatever it takes to get it. You might have to work hard, and you might have to do things you don't want to do, but it's possible. It is feasible and reasonable and has been accomplished by others. The roadblocks that you've listed are not insurmountable; you just choose not to follow the path to overcome them.

You can sit there and blame everyone around you, or you can do something about your situation. The next president might not live up to your expectations either, or the one after that. Then you've wasted another 8 years of your life waiting for someone else to make your life better, and that's 8 years you won't ever get back. You choose how you spend your time, not anyone else.

In the end, you don't owe me (or anyone else) an explanation for how your life turns out. It's you that's got to live it. I'd shoot for the best one possible if I were you, current President be damned.
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You can try and change the political situation so that a more favorable
climate is arrived at. That is ALSO a respected means of obtaining a goal.
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Old 05-31-2004, 03:48 PM   #39
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You still didn't address my point Chiteng...

Allow me to rephrase it for you.

State governors, City Chambers of Commerce, etc. also play a roll in courting businesses to come to their area to invest money to build / manufacture / produce items. This in turn brings jobs, taxable income, etc. to that area for the city / state to reap.

My point is that others should be following Arnold's lead and actively pimp their area to foregin investors to bring jobs to their constituents.

It shouldn't be up to the president to place and propose what companies set up in which city should it?

No...and if it was you would be bitching about what city was favored with XYZ company setting in any state other then yours.

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First, this state is too old school. All power is divided up by the Powers that Be. They all work to profit each other. Expending energy trying to get a responce from them would be humorous. They are landed gentry in the traditional sence. Only armed revolution and (I hate to say), universal land redistribution will ever revitalize the political atmosphere of this state.
In short, they are hogs feeding at the trough. We need to butcher the hogs.

Also I dont believe in rewarding people who are holding you for blackmail
or extortion. I believe in finding them and ending their existance.
Remember that once you pay the Danegeld, you will never get rid of the Dane.

So the only realistic hope is outside federal intervention. LIKE IT OR NOT.
If the Prez want MY vote, then he does things 'I' like.
It is very simple really. If he doesnt do things I like, then I dont vote for him.

Simple, eloquent, and legal.


Lith, I dont live on the Net any longer. I post when I see a reason to.
Too bad. Try playing CoH, you remember? RPG? OnlineGaming?
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Old 05-31-2004, 07:24 PM   #40
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Chiteng, I hate to bust your bubble, but it's been this way for a long long time. Those with a degree usually wind up getting the better paying jobs. Hmmm...going on about 20 years now maybe longer.

I'm a firm believer that a kid out of college starts out low, but he'll climb the ladder much quicker than someone without a degree.
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You can try and change the political situation so that a more favorable
climate is arrived at. *giggle* quote Chit

You will be waiting at least another three years, if not more. You don't read posts before answering them. If you had read mine, the whole point of moving would be to get to a place where there IS employment available. That is where you would get your money. You would HAVE to work. I misunderstood, I thought you were someone who would work for money--my bad.

You keep on making the excuses as to WHY you can't get out of your predicament, I promise you will stay there forever. Obviously your situation is not dire enough to prompt you to act--so it must be acceptable to you and I can only surmise from your INACTION, the fact that you are waiting for a president to come along to give you income, is that you are a habitual whiner who enjoys constant complaints.

If you have noticed, most people on this board have agreed, you need to do something instead of waiting for someone else to do something for you. I consider you a lost cause at this point. As Briigid pointed out, you will only bring this whole subject up repeatedly over and over and over and over on other threads. It is like going to the doctor complaining you are ill, the doctor prescribing you meds, you refusing to take them and then turning up at the doctor's the next day to complain of the same ailment. YOU and YOU only, are the key to your future.
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Old 05-31-2004, 08:54 PM   #42
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You have to QUALIFY for loans to get them.
Otherwise you scrabble in the mud just to survive, like everyone else.
What a socialist. "Blame everyone but me". I'm too stupid to QUALIFY, so it's
the Governments fault!

I hope your joking Chiteng. You keep blaming everyone for your laziness..




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Old 05-31-2004, 09:30 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
First, this state is too old school. All power is divided up by the Powers that Be. They all work to profit each other. Expending energy trying to get a responce from them would be humorous. They are landed gentry in the traditional sence. Only armed revolution and (I hate to say), universal land redistribution will ever revitalize the political atmosphere of this state.
In short, they are hogs feeding at the trough. We need to butcher the hogs.
Oh, I understand now. What you're asking isn't impossible after all!

Under the Chiteng plan for employment reform:
  • The president should obtain and maintain absolute control over both free trade and state and local legislative bodies
  • The president should personally set guidelines for the hiring of employees
  • Corporations should be forced to place offices, plants, distribution centers, etc., in places where unemployment rates are low, even if this placement is not financially or economically beneficial to the corporation
  • Corporations should be forced to hire anyone, regardless of their aptitude, job-related skills, or level of education, even if that person may not be the best person for the job.
  • Corporations should be forced to hire anyone, based solely on their desire to be employed.
And a few questions to go along with this plan...
  • How exactly is the president supposed to take control of both free trade and state and local legislative bodies in order to make this happen?
  • Are state-level authorities, representatives and senators likely to approve of this sort of action?
  • Are individual voters likely to approve of this sort of heavy involvement in private enterprise?
  • When corporations are forced to spend extra training money catching new employees up to speed, who do you think they'll hand that operation expense down to? Do you think they'll just eat that cost themselves, or pass it on to the consumer?
  • Same scenario as above - who do you think will pay for their elevated operation costs for being set up in an area that is not financially or economically beneficial to them?
They're honest questions, since you're hellbent on this being a viable economical option for us.

I'm not particularly a supporter of big business or corporate fatcats manipulating our economy, but I feel that heavy-handed legislation of this sort will only hurt us in the long run. If corporations choose to comply with the new regulations, costs will inevitably get handed down to the consumer in some way, shape, or form. If the government legislates that they can't do that, somewhere within the corporation, something will get short-changed to make up for it. That short-change may or may not effect the consumer or the economy itself. If the short-change is significant enough, or the corporation chooses not to comply with the legislation, it may choose to close up shop instead. Then we have a loss of jobs and a loss of business-related spending and investing.

Is this the general idea that you're looking for, or am I misinterpreting something?
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Old 06-01-2004, 04:17 AM   #44
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You can try and change the political situation so that a more favorable
climate is arrived at. *giggle* quote Chit

You will be waiting at least another three years, if not more. You don't read posts before answering them. If you had read mine, the whole point of moving would be to get to a place where there IS employment available. That is where you would get your money. You would HAVE to work. I misunderstood, I thought you were someone who would work for money--my bad.

You keep on making the excuses as to WHY you can't get out of your predicament, I promise you will stay there forever. Obviously your situation is not dire enough to prompt you to act--so it must be acceptable to you and I can only surmise from your INACTION, the fact that you are waiting for a president to come along to give you income, is that you are a habitual whiner who enjoys constant complaints.

If you have noticed, most people on this board have agreed, you need to do something instead of waiting for someone else to do something for you. I consider you a lost cause at this point. As Briigid pointed out, you will only bring this whole subject up repeatedly over and over and over and over on other threads. It is like going to the doctor complaining you are ill, the doctor prescribing you meds, you refusing to take them and then turning up at the doctor's the next day to complain of the same ailment. YOU and YOU only, are the key to your future.
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Actually, I have stated NOTHING about what I do or how I survive. That is MY business and no one elses. Since I have made no statements, You have nothing but conjecture. I need not respond to your conjecture.

No I do NOT see the majority of the board saying ANYTHING like what you
state. What I DO see is the same old respondants, NOT wish to accept
what I have to say.

FDR did quite a bit. It CAN be done.
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Old 06-01-2004, 04:21 AM   #45
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Brigiid,

First my original point was about using the Prez inaction as a determinent
of the advisability of voting for him. That has never wavered.

You interject a great many things in and none inpact that original point.

I say that if the Prez doesnt give a damn about a certain subset of people,
that that subset should NOT vote for him. It can be no clearer than that.

Now if you want to start a NEW thread about revitalization of the US economy, by all means. But even that wont impact my position that Bush
should NOT be rewarded for inaction.
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Old 06-01-2004, 06:14 AM   #46
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Actually, I have stated NOTHING about what I do or how I survive.--

Give me a break Chiteng. You come on here seeking sympathy, you spill your beans, now you pretend you have stated nothing? Let me see, I went from a $100k job to $35k a year, my wife and friend both got laid off, been three years, no jobs available in my town except selling steaks door to door--need I go on? That is not "conjecture", those are statements that came right out of your mouth. If you were lying--the please come clean. If you feel the need to deny you have made those statements, then I will just as easily pull them up.

It cracks me up that you are the ONE person who is right, and all the other posters on this board who do not support your position are blind and just don't accept what you say? OMG--has the thought ever occurred to you that EVERYONE is not wrong--that YOU are?

Well sweetie, just keep waiting for your knight-in-shining-armour-president to come along and give your wife the job she wants, the pay she wants, in the location she wants. Good luck. In the meantime, get used to scraping along day by day and not taking your wife to dinner or the movies (another quote from your posts). It is going to be a while and your reluctance to do anything but gripe isn't really acting like a man now is it?
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But even that wont impact my position that Bush
should NOT be rewarded for inaction.
Well that's your vote to cast. I, on the other hand, have seen tangible evidence of economic growth in my area, and I will cast my vote accordingly. I guess inaction is relative to your situation and perspective.
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this thread was boring...pointless..stupid..and worthless with the very first post..
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So, of course, you bump it?
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