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Old 05-30-2004, 06:47 PM   #1
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Default Bush keeps his hands on Saddam's special gun.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121329,00.html

Saddam's 'Spider Hole' Gun Now in Bush's Hands


Sunday, May 30, 2004

WASHINGTON President Bush (search) keeps in his White House offices a trophy of one his high points in the Iraq war, the pistol that Saddam Hussein (search) held when soldiers pulled him from his underground hideaway.


Military specialists mounted the sidearm, and soldiers who helped in the deposed Iraqi president's capture presented it to the president, the White House said Sunday. The president keeps the gun in a small study adjoining the Oval Office (search).

"The president was proud of the performance and bravery of our armed forces and was honored to receive it on behalf of the troops involved in the operation," said White House spokesman Jim Morrell.

Maj. Gen. Raymond Odierno, commander of 4th Infantry Division, said the Saddam had the loaded pistol on his lap but didn't move to use it against the Americans who surprised him in what the military described as a spider hole near his hometown, Tikrit, on Dec. 13.

Soldiers from Odierno's division conducted the raid that ended Saddam's seven months on the run.

Time magazine first reported the story in its edition on newsstands Monday.
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Old 05-30-2004, 06:49 PM   #2
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Yeah, I read that in Time Magazine. What a laugh! I mean really, who cares?
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Old 05-30-2004, 09:48 PM   #3
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Maybe he'll stroke it and call it his precious.

Then make it shoot oil.
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Old 05-30-2004, 10:29 PM   #4
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To liberals,
it goes against gun control. How dare bush have guns in the White House!

Actually, it's a part of history. Kinda like your first alimony payment Lurikeen?,
Only better.

God Bless George W. Bush for saving a part of history.



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You cannot live forever.
Prepare yourselves.
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:23 AM   #5
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I bet many previous leaders have kept the weapons of thier enemies.
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Old 05-31-2004, 09:26 AM   #6
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Interesting:

Last administration's Oval Office phallic device: a cigar

This administration's Oval Office phallic device: the barrel of a gun

So who's the intern?
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Old 05-31-2004, 01:49 PM   #7
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So who's the intern? YOU ARE, Horma! And after you are done with Bill, I hear Hillary would like your services!!! Rumor has it that they still teach "sucking up" in Liberalism 101!!
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Old 05-31-2004, 04:11 PM   #8
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A) I think you missed something here.
B) I am way beyond Liberalism 101 thank you very much and am well into my RhD program (that's Republican Hating Degree )
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Old 05-31-2004, 05:39 PM   #9
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Yeah, I read that in Time Magazine. What a laugh! I mean really, who cares?
Hi, I'm Georgiepoo, I have my precious posession. This is what I sent all these kids to die for.
One thing for sure, Bush won't walk away from office empty handed and I'm sure he will be able to savor this trophy of his forever. Too bad he did nothing to earn it. But then again, he is used to not earning anything.
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Old 05-31-2004, 05:44 PM   #10
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Bumbleroot, I am not sure what your point is. I think every president collects artifacts for rememberance. Honestly, Bush has every right to Saddam's pistol. I don't like Bush at all, but Saddam was overthrown and captured under Bush's watch. I think he is certainly entitled to a trophy presented to him by the troops.
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:04 PM   #11
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This is my rifle and this is my gun, one is for fighting, the other for fun.
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Old 05-31-2004, 06:11 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
This is my rifle and this is my gun, one is for fighting, the other for fun.
Excellent scene in "Full Metal Jacket"!
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Old 05-31-2004, 07:05 PM   #13
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I think that this memento is indicative of Bush's supreme obsession with Hussein.
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Old 05-31-2004, 07:59 PM   #14
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FADE IN:

THE OVAL OFFICE, MIDDAY


PAN TO DISPLAY CABINET ON FAR WALL, FOCUS ON HAND REMOVING PISTOL FROM CASE.



George sits down behind the large desk, props up his feet and points the pistol directly in front of him.




GEORGE:

Bang!








Stick em' up pardner!







Freeze!





This town ain't big nuff for the two of us mister.





Ka-PoW!



POP! POP!



George grins and blows imaginary smoke from the gun's barrel.





FADE BLACK






THE END








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Old 05-31-2004, 08:34 PM   #15
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Got him a toy gun eh?
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:04 PM   #16
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Default just wondering

i could be wrong, and if i am not, it apparently doesn't apply to the higher ups in the military, but isn't there regulations in the military about bringing "war suvaniers" (sp?) home? i mean wouldn't a grunt get busted for this kind of thing? maybe this is something they have done away with and/or overlooked at times. just wondering if any of the vets on the board could inlighten me on this subject.
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Old 05-31-2004, 10:26 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
I think that this memento is indicative of Bush's supreme
obsession with Hussein.
The question is, Your obsession with President Bush.
Scary, Brrrrrr.

Whats a memento? Oh great Mr. Doctoral of the media mail room.
Punk.



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Old 06-01-2004, 06:58 AM   #18
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Z, I can not understand that you and others allow Bush to go without reproach on his mad plundering of America. One day you will open your eyes, look around you and realize that our country is in worse shape than at anytime in your life due to this man.
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Old 06-02-2004, 10:39 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
Z, I can not understand that you and others allow Bush to go
without reproach on his mad plundering of America.
Plundering. Hmm.
Nope. It's not happening. Plundering Iraq?, hmm. Nope again. Not happening.

Would you care to emphasize how Bush is Plundering America?

Bumbleroot,
Your not able to because you have a barrel of monkeys up your ass!
So that, the next time someone say's something you cannot agree with, you can say.,.,
WHEN MONKEYS FLY OUT OF MY ASS. And then 'Of course" monkeys will fly
out of your-ass.

Originally Posted by bumbleroot
One day you will open your eyes, look around you and realize that our country is in worse shape than at anytime in your life due to this man.
And one day you will understand the numbers of the economic system that makes
America so powerfull and hated. And no, not the Government. The people
who pay taxes. To bad your not an American.





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Old 06-03-2004, 04:57 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by bumbleroot
Too bad he did nothing to earn it. But then again, he is used to not earning anything.
If you aren't going to credit Bush with Saddam's capture, then you can't blame him for things like Abu Ghraib.
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Old 06-03-2004, 07:26 AM   #21
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Bringing back firearms is rather standard practice in the military. After WWII there was an effort to stem the practice as machine guns were more prevalent on the battlefield and were regulated under the National Firearms Act. Pistols, bolt rifles and semi-automatics such as the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine were less tightly regulated. In fact many of these weapons were sold by the Department of Defense (then the War Department I believe) through the Civilian Markesmanship Program and related programs.

With Korean and Vietnam the practice was strongly discouraged, and in fact punished. Enough enemy "bringbacks" made it into the country that the federal government instituted amnesty periods in which service members could declare them, pay the $200 NFA tax stamp and keep them.

During the first Gulf War soldiers were prohibited from bringing back weapons, and were prosecuted for attempting to do so. Individual units could however choose to bring back captured weapons. Many units now proudly display captured Iraqi AKs and other assorted small arms.

The President is Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. So yes, the regulations don't exactly apply to him in so far as regulations are not law, they are agency promulgated and can be amended accordingly at the President' discretion with the legally applicable public comment period. Furthermore the President may issue executive orders which carry the weight of law and supercede regulations. I'd be willing to bet that before a firearm was able to be presented to the President it was cleared through the Secret Service, DoD lawyers, White House Counsel's Office and possibly the President's personal attorney to make sure there was no legal conflict in doing so.

I personally see no problem with the practice. It is a time honored military tradition to be brought the sword or sidearm of your vanquished enemy's leader. Doesn't matter who is in the Oval Office or what party they are from.
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Old 06-03-2004, 10:18 PM   #22
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LairdRagna,
Your words are humbly received. Honesty is a virtue these days,
and you have shown your integrity.
God bless you LairdRagna.



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Old 06-04-2004, 07:10 AM   #23
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I think if I found a magic lamp today and a genie popped out and gave me three wishes they would be these:

1) $25 billion....I'm not greedy, just very very money hungry.
2) To be able to play the piano as well as Fats Waller did.
3) One shot, just one clear shot, to kick Zolmaz in the nuts as hard as I could.
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Old 06-04-2004, 07:16 AM   #24
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My 3 wishes would be

1) For every dollar Horm gets I get two
2) I wish Fats Waller had sucked at playing the piano
3) For any pain Zolmaz feels for Horm to feel it twice as bad..

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