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Old 06-17-2010, 07:12 AM   #1
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Default Our tax dollars.....

Well, If you live in New Jersey, YOUR tax dollars. Still pisses me off though.

http://newjersey.watchdog.org/2010/05/24/david_rible/
Assemblyman David P. Rible retired as a Wall Township police officer at age 31 with a bad back and a fat pension. He’s collected $570,000 in disability payments since a state board decided he was “totally and permanently disabled.”
Yet Rible competes in five-mile and five-kilometer runs along the Jersey Shore. He exercises at a gym, dances as a celebrity and hauls trash to the curb at his Monmouth County home. He commutes to Trenton to represent the 11th District in the State Assembly, where he holds a leadership position as Republican Whip and seeks publicity as a tax-fighter.
In addition to his $49,000 salary as a legislator, Rible continues to receive a state disability pension that pays $54,502 a year without a second look from authorities.
Now 42, Rible is set for life. If he lives until 80, he will pocket another $2 million from the state pension fund. That would raise Rible’s jackpot to roughly $2.6 million, not including cost-of-living hikes or his medical coverage.
“I do oppose government waste, but I don’t see this as government waste,” said Rible, leaving his health club after a workout. “This is something that has been set forth in the rules of the pension.”
Those rules can be costly. Lottery-sized payouts threaten to break the back of New Jersey’s retirement and benefits system for public workers, struggling under the weight of $110 billion in projected debt. The state pension plans are short $46 billion, according to the most recent audit – plus retiree health benefits are underfunded by $64 billion.
A New Jersey Watchdog investigation of Rible’s case revealed how wasteful that system can be.
In 1988, Wall Township hired Rible as a patrolman. Five years later – on October 17, 1993 – the young officer was injured on the job. Rible later recalled the incident in his retirement application.
In his statement to the pension board, Rible said he and two other township detectives responded to an early morning noise complaint at a gravel pit. On foot, the officers pursued three men suspected of igniting fireworks and drinking alcohol. Rible stated he fell from an embankment during the chase and hurt his lower back.
Nearly four weeks later, Rible went to the police department’s physician with complaints of back pain. Eventually, in January 1998, he had back surgery.
In October 1998, the Police and Fireman’s Retirement System’s Board of Trustees approved Rible’s application for retirement. Because it was determined an “accidental disability” – a direct result of a line-of-duty mishap – his pension started at $45,921 a year, even though he had only been on the job for 10 years. If Rible had retired with an “ordinary disability” pension, he would have received only $10,332 a year, or 1.5 percent of his salary for each year of service.
Rible returned to the workforce less than a year after his disability pension began. The state Department of Safety and Law hired him in 1999 as an insurance fraud investigator. The following year, Rible left that job to start his own business as a locksmith. For the next eight years, he owned and operated Dr. Lock, Inc. in Wall Township.
In 2007, David Rible was elected to the State Assembly as a Republican in the 11th District. Last year, he was re-elected to a second two-year term.
But those weren’t Rible’s only competitions. On Oct. 11, 2009, the “totally disabled” assemblyman wore No. 3694 in the 27th Annual Run Thru Deal. He completed the five-kilometer run in 26 minutes, 50 seconds, according to official races results.
Records show Rible also competed in:
“What I’m doing is pretty much therapy for my back,” said Rible. “When I run a road race, I’m not running for competition.”
For support, Rible offered an interview with Gordon D. Donald, an orthopaedic surgeon who performed a “successful” spinal fusion on the assemblyman around 2005.
According to Dr. Donald, Rible’s disability prevents him from working as a police officer – but not from running races, ocean surfing at the Jersey Shore or almost any other physical activity he chooses. “There is no correlation between the two,” he said.
Dr. Donald acknowledged he has not examined Rible for “several years…possibly 2006 or 2007.”
It’s been even longer since the Police and Firemen’s Retirement System has exercised its right to re-examine Rible to determine whether he still qualifies for a disability pension.
Back in 1998, the pension board notified Rible “the statute permits the Board of Trustees to require a disability retirant to undergo annual medical examinations to determine if he/she continues to be totally and permanently disabled and therefore eligible for continued receipt of his/her disability retirement allowance.”
In response to a request by New Jersey Watchdog, pension officials affirmed there are no records of any re-examination of Rible since then.
If the board was to re-evaluate Rible, the legal standard would be whether he would be “considered totally and permanently disabled…from performing (his) normal or assigned job duties or any other position with no possibility for significant improvement.”
The question is whether Rible is fit for “any other position,” such as a desk assignment or administrative work.
“The answer is yes,” said Dr. Donald. “Could he do those duties? Of course he can.”
Rible said he was never offered any such opportunity. “They pretty much didn’t have any use for me,” he said. So the assemblyman collects disability checks between his boardwalk runs and legislative trips to Trenton.
Earlier this year, Rible voted for two pension reform bills in the State Assembly. Both measures were approved by the Legislature and signed into law. One statute includes provisions to end accidental disability pension benefits for new members in two of the state’s pension plans – the Public Employees’ Retirement System and the Teachers’ Pension and Annuity Fund.
However, that reform does not apply to the Police and Fireman’s Retirement System – Rible’s plan – even though it has five times more “accidental” retirees than any other state pension plan, and more than all of the other plans combined.
Ironically, Assemblyman Rible has been a vocal critic of compensation paid to other public employees:
  • In January 2009, Rible criticized a $500,000 severance package given to outgoing Rutgers University Athletic Director Robert Mulcahy. “Is it any wonder this state is in such a financial hole?” Rible asked in his press release.
  • In March of this year, Rible introduced legislation to “reign in excessive salaries paid to school administrators.” “This is absolutely outrageous,” said Rible in his press release. “It’s a blatant abuse of the system and one of the reasons our property taxes are so high.”
  • In April, Rible publicly lambasted a $600,000 settlement offered to fired Rutgers University basketball coach Fred Hill.
In his press releases, Rible failed to mention his own disability jackpot – one that has already paid him $570,000 – and could easily exceed $2 million.
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Old 06-17-2010, 07:32 AM   #2
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Well, If you live in New Jersey, YOUR tax dollars. Still pisses me off though.

http://newjersey.watchdog.org/2010/05/24/david_rible/
Ok. I can see both sides of the coin here, simply because I am a disabled vet.

My disability prevents me from carrying out the duties of a serviceman, but didn't hinder my day-to-day life. Because I was injured while serving, by law, I am entitled to certain benefits. When my doctor instructed me to get a disabled placard for my vehicle, I recoiled at the thought. He explained to me that my condition will only worsen and over time I will be restricted to a wheelchair (not there yet).

I'm glad I did as instructed. Today, I have major problems carrying computer equipment to and fro, because of the arthritis that has settled in my ankles and knees. However on good days (and with the right medication) I can jog up to 3 miles and still function throughout the day. I have pain every minute of every day, but I don't let that stop me from doing my job and living my life.

This guy had a situation where he was forced out of his job due to injury (something I can completely relate to). Because of the rules in place, he has been receiving a relatively large sum of money over the years. If they change their rules, you can bet that the next officer to sustain an injury in the line of duty will pay dearly because they did.

I think this article has a definite polical bias in trying to paint this politician in the most negative light possible. But knowing what I know, I don't buy into the article as much as Drys did.

Just my 2cp.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:35 AM   #3
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I dont mind the disability as much as the hypocrisy. For the same reason you understand his circumstances and dont judge him, he might want to do the same.
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Old 06-17-2010, 08:49 AM   #4
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Just this:

If you're healthy enough to complete 5K runs, you're healthy enough to work. Maybe not as a cop, but so what? I'm not healthy enough to work as a Pro Quarterback. I guess I should contact Jerry Jones for my paycheck!
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Old 06-17-2010, 09:05 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Drysdale View Post
Just this:

If you're healthy enough to complete 5K runs, you're healthy enough to work. Maybe not as a cop, but so what? I'm not healthy enough to work as a Pro Quarterback. I guess I should contact Jerry Jones for my paycheck!
Ah, but you would have had to have been a pro-quarterback first and gotten injured on the job.

Of course pro-sports doesn't have the same employee benefits as cops have.
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Originally Posted by Drysdale View Post
Just this:

If you're healthy enough to complete 5K runs, you're healthy enough to work. Maybe not as a cop, but so what? I'm not healthy enough to work as a Pro Quarterback. I guess I should contact Jerry Jones for my paycheck!
But, I thought I read that he IS working - in public office. That shouldn't negate his disability compensation that he was/is entitled to. /shrug
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I dont mind the disability as much as the hypocrisy. For the same reason you understand his circumstances and dont judge him, he might want to do the same.
I'm not really see in hypocrisy, either. He's spoken out against severance packages handed out to those who were fired. None of the three mentioned had been injured at work like he had. To me, their situations are not even in the same ball park.
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Old 06-17-2010, 11:38 AM   #8
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Unless he is accusing them of criminal behaviour they are the exact same thing. An agreed upon benefits package given to an employee due to what ever their individual circumstances.
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I think his hyprocrisy comes in where he says he doesn't approve of government waste, when, in fact, he's responsible for a large portion of it. He's receiving benefits on the stipulation that he is “totally and permanently disabled”, yet he's still able to work. He's receiving compensation designed for people who can't work, and he's in better shape than I am, by a long shot.

I especially love this line....“What I’m doing is pretty much therapy for my back,” said Rible. “When I run a road race, I’m not running for competition.” Last I heard, running wasn't good for your back. Every stride jars your spine in such a way as to be anti-theraupeutic.

Plain and simple, the guy's double dipping. At the same time, I am reminded of the quote from George Bernard Shaw that states, "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." Apparently his constituents don't have a problem with this.
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But, he IS totally and permanently disabled. As far as the Police department and their pension funds are concerned. And that's all it takes, quite frankly. The minute you try to take it away from him, a presidence will be set where the Union/pension fund/whatever can fall back on when it decides it doesn't want to pay that officer that got shot in the chest. That's where the catch 22 happens. So what if the guy can run. Like I said before, I can run (read: jog) too, but I still cannot lift any real weight.

BUT!!! I get what you guys are saying.
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What should happen in cases like these are that the funds should be set up in a way that IF you can find other employment, you forfiet, on a sliding scale based on your new job's compensation, a portion of your benefits. Not all of them, as I do agree with others who quite correctly point out he is incapable of performing the dutis on the job that he was disabled at, and yet, disability payments are mainly for folks who can't get work, or can only get work at much reduced wages. Also, medical benefits should probably NOT be affected.

They are talking about something similar here in Illinois for the double dipping pols that retire at one position, then come back to work at another and are still allowed to collect pensions ...
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This is one sick example of the disablity reform that needs to go on in this country. I can't tell you how many people I have seen that get along better than I do but sit on their butt all day and get a check for it.
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This is one sick example of the disablity reform that needs to go on in this country. I can't tell you how many people I have seen that get along better than I do but sit on their butt all day and get a check for it.
Welcome to socialism. Enjoy your stay.
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Not my socialism. Everyone who WORKS gets their fair share. No welfare for nonworkers.

Yes, some people DO need disability, but there needs to be SERIOUS oversight.
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Not my socialism. Everyone who WORKS gets their fair share. No welfare for nonworkers.
And how are you going to enforce this magical ant-like existence?
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Not my socialism. Everyone who WORKS gets their fair share. No welfare for nonworkers.
Sounds like a bit right out of Mein Kampf.
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Not my socialism. Everyone who WORKS gets their fair share. No welfare for nonworkers.
The more you distribute wealth, the more people will abuse the system. Get used to it, jackass.
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Chirst heretic. The problem with socialism is its for ants and bees. Not humans.

When there is No incentive to work. people either do very little work. Work poorly or not work at all.

SO by saying. the people that work get their fair share is about as simplistic and completely useless as it can get. Its one of those rhetoric statements that comes out of a Poly-tics mouth.
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When there is No incentive to work. people either do very little work. Work poorly or not work at all.
No incentive to work or work at all? They need money. Food on table. Roof over head. Of course their incentive and they MUST work.


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The more you distribute wealth, the more people will abuse the system. Get used to it, jackass.
There is abuse in any system. Look at the one we have now.
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There is abuse in any system. Look at the one we have now.
That's no answer. Of course there will be abuse in any system, but you can always limit the number of abusers. Your system increases the number of potential abusers and then what are you left with? An unfair system. Isn't that the reason you want to change now?
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No incentive to work or work at all? They need money. Food on table. Roof over head. Of course their incentive and they MUST work.
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One main reason why communism failed in Eastern Europe was human nature. Under economic communism, control over production is supposed to be given to the workers, ostensibly with the guidance and oversight of a strong central State. Communist farmers who produced corn, for instance, would donate the vast majority of their yearly crops to the government. In exchange, the government would provide each farmer with a supply of corn for personal use, along with a portion of all the other goods produced by other self-controlled communes. Unfortunately, the timely distribution of goods was severely hampered by corruption and mismanagement, a common problem in Communist countries.
When any form of government, whether capitalist or communist, fails to meet the basic needs of its people, civil unrest is bound to follow. This was especially the case in Eastern Europe after World War II. Tyrannical Communist leaders such as Joseph Stalin used economic communism as a means to support their own agendas, while millions of civilians were systematically imprisoned or summarily executed. The message to Eastern European countries became clear — dissension would simply not be tolerated. During the 1950s and 1960s, country after country in Eastern Europe began to revolt against the oppressive Soviet system that sought to keep them enslaved to a corrupt form of political communism.
By the time of the Soviet Union's disintegration in 1991, economic communism was fast becoming a failed experiment in the eyes of the Western world. Many collective companies in Eastern European companies discovered the advantages of a free market society, including the right to deal directly with buyers. Under economic communism, there were very few incentives offered to more industrious workers. The idea of profit through increased production proved to be one of the strongest arguments against communism, and many Eastern European countries were eager to move towards a freer economic system.
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You have a major flaw in your starry-eyed antlike existence: We aren't ants.
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