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Old 12-28-2004, 05:57 AM   #1
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Default U.N.: U.S. should raise taxes so they can give more

U.N. official slams U.S. as 'stingy' over aid
By Bill Sammon
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published December 28, 2004

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The Bush administration yesterday pledged $15 million to Asian nations hit by a tsunami that has killed more than 22,500 people, although the United Nations' humanitarian-aid chief called the donation "stingy."

"The United States, at the president's direction, will be a leading partner in one of the most significant relief, rescue and recovery challenges that the world has ever known," said White House deputy press secretary Trent Duffy.

But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become." I dont know about you but I didnt get any oil in my stocking

"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more." this idiot knows this how??

In response to Mr. Egeland's comments, Mr. Duffy pointed out that the United States is "the largest contributor to international relief and aid efforts, not only through the government, but through charitable organizations. The American people are very giving."

Offers of aid have poured in from around the world in the past two days, with the European Union's executive arm releasing $4 million in emergency aid and pledging an additional $27 million. Canada and several European nations -- including Spain, Germany, Ireland and Belgium -- each pledged about $1 million yesterday.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell hinted that the $15 million U.S. offer was only the first installment of a larger aid package to those countries devastated by 30-foot waves triggered by a massive underwater earthquake.

"We also have to see this not just as a one-time thing," he said. "Some 20-plus thousand lives have been lost in a few moments, but the lingering effects will be there for years.

"The damage that was caused, the rebuilding of schools and other facilities will take time," he added. "So you need a quick infusion to stabilize the situation, take care of those who have been injured, get immediate relief supplies in, and then you begin planning for the longer haul."

If that planning calls for significant food aid, the United States might have to scramble.

"Even before the crisis in the Asia-Pacific region and the Indian Ocean, the demands for food aid were stretching capacity: demands in Sudan, demands in West Africa, demands in other areas hit by drought and fighting," State Department spokesman Adam Ereli said.

"So even though we're giving a lot, the demand is very high," he added. "We're going to have to look at, as we move forward, what we can do to meet that demand."

Money and food are not the only types of aid being sent by the Bush administration. The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) also is sending a 21-member disaster-relief team to the region.

Also, the Pentagon has dispatched military patrol planes from the Pacific Fleet. President Bush has written letters of condolence to seven of the affected nations -- Bangladesh, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, the Maldives and Malaysia.

Besides the United States, the largest single national donor was neighboring Australia, which offered $10 million and transportation aid.

"Australia will and should give more," Prime Minister John Howard said.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies made an initial appeal of $6.7 million, which the federation says it will probably increase.

Officials from relief agencies, including the Red Cross and other nongovernmental organizations, met yesterday in Geneva to coordinate their efforts. In New York, diplomats from six of the affected nations met with U.N. officials.

The United Nations and other aid organizations have deployed hundreds of disaster-recovery and humanitarian-response teams to the region, and officials warn that the cost of the disaster could quickly reach "many billions of dollars."

"We may only know the full effect of this emergency weeks from now," Mr. Egeland told reporters yesterday at the United Nations in New York. "The disaster affecting Southeast Asia is not the biggest in recorded history, but the effects could be the biggest because more people live in exposed areas than ever before."

The tsunami-ravaged nations are particularly susceptible to epidemics as authorities struggle with thousands of corpses in unsanitary conditions. International organizations and nations including France, Japan, Israel, Kuwait, Hungary and others are sending medical personnel to some or all of the affected countries.

"The principal danger is that of diseases transmitted through water, especially malaria and diarrhea, and infections caught through respiration," said Hakan Sandbladh, a Red Cross official in Geneva.

Groups such as Doctors Without Borders warned that catastrophes tend to help localized illnesses turn into full-blown epidemics.

The destruction of water and sewage pipes, the disruption of vaccination programs and the lack of attention to disease-carrying pests such as rats and mosquitoes exacerbated the risk, they said.

In this situation, the stagnant pools of water created by the tsunami could boost the numbers of mosquitoes and other insects that transmit tropical maladies such as malaria and dengue fever.

"The risk of epidemics is also linked to concentrations of people whose houses have been destroyed," said Pauline Horrill of Doctors Without Borders.

Meanwhile, Agence France-Presse reported that a tsunami alert system in Hawaii that warns Pacific countries about devastating tidal waves detected the earthquake that led to the destruction across Indian Ocean nations.

But the absence of an alert system in Asia meant the information could not be sent out fast enough.


The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's (NOAA) Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, established in 1949 after a huge wave killed more than 150 people in Hawaii, issued a bulletin at 3:14 p.m. local time or 8:14 a.m. in the affected area, when it detected an earthquake off Indonesia.

The NOAA's information bulletin said there was a possibility of a tsunami near the earthquake's epicenter, but that no destructive threat existed in the Pacific. The huge tidal waves instead swept across the Indian Ocean, killing people in 10 countries from Indonesia to Somalia.

Betsy Pisik, reporting from the United Nations in New York, contributed to this article, which is based in part on wire service reports.
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Just when did it become their fucking business? France and Germany are only giving $1 million! The $15 million from the U.S. is only from the givernment.. im sure there will be many many millions more from the private sector (dontations, feed the children, red cross, etc).

The U.N. is a big fucking waste of time and resources.
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Old 12-28-2004, 06:18 AM   #2
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ive been steaming over this article all morning. fucking coackroaches. here we have possibly the worst natural disaster of our time, the world acknowledges it and is helping. yet the fucking irrelevant useless UN who never stopped a war who never stopped a genocide who encorauges death destruction and slavery to jews and christians while rewarding Islamic thugs with employment and kickbacks have the fucking balls to accuse the US of being stingy in helping anyone. Fuck Kofi Annan, fuck the UN, fuck Eurabia
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Old 12-28-2004, 08:05 AM   #3
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Get the UN out of New York and send them somewhere they belong like Paris, France. They can then be in the company of thier own kind: whining, sniveling, backstabbing little pissants.

Oh and when the UN directly dictates the taxation of the US and the rest of the world, that is when I become part of the Revolution.
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Old 12-28-2004, 08:30 AM   #4
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Would you pussies lose the persecution complex already? Christ this shit is old. The guy didn't even criticize the US by name based on the stories I've read, he simply stated that he thinks it's stingy for rich countries to only be giving 0.1 to 0.2 % of their income to foreign aid. He's the fucking Undersecretary of Humanitarian affairs for the UN- I'd say it certainly is his business to comment on such stuff. Doesn't mean you have to agree with what he says, but his job is to deal with such things.

I think you douchebags forget that we're not being held prisoner by the UN- membership is by choice.

Please cry like 3 year old girls some more though, it's most amusing.
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Old 12-28-2004, 08:58 AM   #5
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Hey shit-for-brains, maybe the U.S. doesnt want out of the U.N. but would rather it return to its intended purpose? The U.N. has turned into a jacked-up worthless organization and did so on our DOLLAR. Now we arnt giving enough.

The U.S. gives the MOST in terms of disaster relief / humanitarian / aids etc etc etc.. you name it. This pissant "Undersecretary" doesnt even consider how much aid and shit is already pouring out of our coffers into other nations..does he? Whatever his fucking problem is, why ever he is so stressed about "Western nations being stingy", to imply that the U.S. needs to increase taxes so that we would have more to give is FUCKING IGNORANT.

Does it not bother you in the least that the U.N. is suggesting you pay more taxes so that they can better spend that money? How many donations have you sent to the U.N. in the last decade?
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:24 AM   #6
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Hormadrune, you are so amusing to read. I bet you get a hard on every time you get to type the word "douche". The UN was created for a purpose but they seem to have lost that purpose years ago. Now they are a whiny, sniveling, incompetent beauracracy interested in only putting money in their own greedy pockets. Of course they didn't want to enforce the Iraqi Resolutions, they were making way too much money off of them under the table. Even the Weapon's Inspector's were pocketing millions and if you believe otherwise, time to wake up and smell the coffee.

As for the comment about the "World's Police Force", it is one thing to STOP a murderous dictator, it's another to help after a natural disaster.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:39 AM   #7
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Why the fuck are people politicizing this horrible horrible disater. just cut the fucking rehetoric and realize this is not about Bush or the USA its about tens of thousands of people dead from a tidal wave. the idiot over at the UN talking about taxing the US isnt even concerned about helping anyone. he just wants us to raise taxes so the dollar gains value and stops fucking over the EU.
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Old 12-28-2004, 09:57 AM   #8
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And what, oh international policy scholars, should the UN's purpose be? Be a yes-man organization for the US's neoimperialism? Take a laissez-faire approach to humanitarian work? Advance the reactionary idealisms of the Christian right? Give me a fucking break you clods.

Originally Posted by UN Charter
WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED

to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and

to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

AND FOR THESE ENDS

to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbours, and

to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and

to ensure, by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and

to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples,

HAVE RESOLVED TO COMBINE OUR EFFORTS TO ACCOMPLISH THESE AIMS

Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations.
I fail to see how they've so egregiously deviated from that mission. I know that you two meatbags in particular, IM and Rheaton, aren't very bright, so let me clarify- I'm not at all claiming it's a perfect organization- no institution comprised of human beings is. But is is incredibly hilarious to watch you and your sad ilk go to pieces every time you see "UN" in a news story.

Amazing how you dolts don't bat an eye at the BILLIONS being shit away in Iraq, or the BILLIONS in military aid we've given Israel and other allies over the years, but when it comes to humanitarian aid you start penny pinching. Quite telling really.

The best part of all this is knowing that tards like Chuk are at this very moment adding to their blood pressure with all their impotent rage. If for no other reason, I hope the UN can at least continue doing that.
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what the fuck does Iraq have anything to do with the tidal wave ? you fucking hack.
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Oh, by the way where are Asia's economic biggies like China and Japan in all this hubub? I am all for lending a hand but, am also for folks tending to thier own backyard in these type of situations.


And another thing, where was the UN when FOUR hurricanes hit Florida in rapid succesion. Oh, sorry, forgot they were more worried about sticking thier nose in OUR election than actually helping persons displaced by those hurricanes.
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:16 AM   #11
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And what, oh international policy scholars, should the UN's purpose be? Be a yes-man organization for the US's neoimperialism? Take a laissez-faire approach to humanitarian work? Advance the reactionary idealisms of the Christian right? Give me a fucking break you clods.
You have smoked way too much dope in your time and it has rendered your brain 'tarded'... and noid. You, along with the past dipship Lurik, always post the charter of the U.N. as a way to prop up your socialist ideas. So if we may, lets have a look see at this masterpiece.

to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and

Let us talk about the wars the U.N. has prevented. Perhaps you can give us a few examples of when the U.N. has prevented a war. GW1 perhaps? Prevented that thanks to the MEMBERS.. you know, all the members that pitched in.

to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and

In the last 15 years.. lets see. .. Genocide. persecution of certain religion-following people. What has been done by this noble institution to prevent this? Not a fucking thing.

to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and

Ah yes.. this must be refering to the "resolutionary justice system". You know, the one you impose so that you can drain a nation of people of funds, food and shelter so that their leader(s) can live in elaborate palaces (and you can get a few kick-backs as well).

Man, I could go on and on. The U.N. isnt what it was intended to be. The U.S., up till recent, has always footed the bill and the blood for this "noble institution" called the United Nations...

But we know your still bitter about Bush winning, invading Iraq and standing up against the U.N. for not supporting and maintain the spirit of its own charter. Funny isnt it? Funny how you find yourself siding with the U.N. over your own nation because you dont like your president. Funny how you side with an organization that suggests you pay more taxes so that it, this noble institution, can spend it as it sees fit.
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:17 AM   #12
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what the fuck does Iraq have anything to do with the tidal wave ? you fucking hack.
Funds allocation you fucking clod, and how it tells so much about what you goons care about. Billions for a war of questionable merit is A-OK by you, but you start menstruating profusely when someone criticizes the miniscule income percentage western nations spend on humanitarian aid.

The little black UN helicopters that circle your houses are not out to get you so you can take off your tinfoil hats and exit your bomb shelters.

Take a Vioxx and chill out Chuk
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Old 12-28-2004, 11:21 AM   #13
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But we know your still bitter about Bush winning, invading Iraq and standing up against the U.N. for not supporting and maintain the spirit of its own charter. Funny isnt it? Funny how you find yourself siding with the U.N. over your own nation because you dont like your president. Funny how you side with an organization that suggests you pay more taxes so that it, this noble institution, can spend it as it sees fit.
I'm siding with the UN over the US? How? Where? I'm not siding with the UN over anyone- I'm simply pointing out what a fucking moron you are. Keep up Corky.

I also like the part where you called me a socialist. It's fun when you fall into inaccurate cliches, makes the thread that much better
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Money for the war in iraq has nothing to do with the amount of money sent for this terrible tragedy in sria lanka . one has nothing to with the other.

PS we are giving 35 million so far and planes and troops sent there. so much for being 'stingy'
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Well, we know why the UN doesn't like war, they suck at it. Over 51 years later and we have troops in a country that was a UN supported war. Seems to me that Bush has 50ish years to prove that his decision was the better about Iraq. Some might say it has questionable merit, many others do not see it that way.
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Money for the war in iraq has nothing to do with the amount of money sent for this terrible tragedy in sria lanka . one has nothing to with the other.
It is just a simple statement that the U.S. is ok spending billions on a war of questionable merit for its own agenda and stingy when it comes to humanitarian efforts of unquestionable merit.


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And another thing, where was the UN when FOUR hurricanes hit Florida in rapid succesion.
Umm, I don't think the hurricanes, however awful, compare to the events in Asia.


As for this whole story, yes, I agree with you cons that the U.N. is somewhat corrupt or diverged from its foundation. Also, I find it appauling that the U.N. would call for raising taxes of one of its members.
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The guy didn't even criticize the US by name based on the stories I've read, he simply stated that he thinks it's stingy for rich countries to only be giving 0.1 to 0.2 % of their income to foreign aid.
I think you douchebags forget that we're not being held prisoner by the UN- membership is by choice.
So who exactly do you think he was speaking of?
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but you start menstruating profusely when someone criticizes the miniscule income percentage western nations spend on humanitarian aid.
AID, as in a GIFT to help another out in time of need.

Would you take offense to someone taking a donation check from you at say... the American Red Cross then only insult you in a public forum saying that amount isn't acceptable?

The US funds the majority of:
-- the United Nations annual budget
-- pays, and provides for the majority of military force used to enforce UN policies.
-- is the largest ANNUAL contributor to world emergency aid by far...

In Sec. of State Powell's own words...
Originally Posted by above linked article
Powell made the morning news show rounds Tuesday and said that he regretted Egeland's statements.

"The United States has given more aid in the last four years than any other nation or combination of nations in the world," Powell told the Associated Press. "This is indeed an international tragedy, and we are going to do everything we can."
Basicly the uppity bitch, the UN Hum. Aid Chief said, "Thanks for the gift...now gimmah more yah stingy bastard."

No wonder some Americans are pissed, and rightly so.

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Horm, let us start here, maybe this is more your speed.

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This is called the ALPHABET with the Upper Case letter first and the Lower Case letter next to it.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
This is called NUMBERS, from one to ten.

Once you can master that, then maybe you can read.
See Kerry run! See Kerry fall! See, Kerry is an asshole, a gold digging snake of a man.

See Bush run! See Bush win! See Bush tell the world to screw itself, that the United States is in control of it's own destiny.

Woops, that was over your head, let's get back to:
Saddam Hussein = Bad Guy
George W Bush = Good Guy
Bad guys succeed when good guys do nothing. When good guys do something, whiny, sniveling, turds called Liberals scream that it isn't fair that the good guy is smarter, brighter, faster, and BETTER. Well, FUCK the Liberals! Lazy, blood sucking parasites of society who say killing babies and making love to someone of the same gender is OK! You see Horm, activities like that are WRONG, just like murder, stealing and lying to a Grand Jury under Oath.

You see, until you Liberals can see that there is RIGHT and there is WRONG, you will always be miserable LOSERS. So go back to your douche bags Horm, they seem to be a favorite of yours. As for me, I will go back to my work, my family, my love, my faith and HAPPINESS!!!
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Originally Posted by Inmountains
Horm, let us start here, maybe this is more your speed.

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This is called NUMBERS, from one to ten.

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See Kerry run! See Kerry fall! See, Kerry is an asshole, a gold digging snake of a man.

See Bush run! See Bush win! See Bush tell the world to screw itself, that the United States is in control of it's own destiny.

Woops, that was over your head, let's get back to:
Saddam Hussein = Bad Guy
George W Bush = Good Guy
Bad guys succeed when good guys do nothing. When good guys do something, whiny, sniveling, turds called Liberals scream that it isn't fair that the good guy is smarter, brighter, faster, and BETTER. Well, FUCK the Liberals! Lazy, blood sucking parasites of society who say killing babies and making love to someone of the same gender is OK! You see Horm, activities like that are WRONG, just like murder, stealing and lying to a Grand Jury under Oath.

You see, until you Liberals can see that there is RIGHT and there is WRONG, you will always be miserable LOSERS. So go back to your douche bags Horm, they seem to be a favorite of yours. As for me, I will go back to my work, my family, my love, my faith and HAPPINESS!!!
I require more than just your say so on the premise George W Bush = Good Guy.
You saying so, doesnt make it true.
I myself see no evidence of it being true.

Premise denied.
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All this talk about Iraq and this and that aside, Chuk and Ariochx hit the nail on the head. This is about aid to a people that need it. None of the U.N. members, to my knowledge, are obligated legally to donate anything. To suggest that what we do give isnt enough, or "stingy", is rude. To suggest that a nation raise it's taxes so that it would have more to give is ... vaininthesideofmyheadpopingcauseIwannakickyousohardinthenuts arrogant, greedy and condescending.
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Well Sri Lanka turned down Israel's offer to help. I guess that politics is politics
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Old 12-28-2004, 01:55 PM   #23
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Originally Posted by Chiteng
Well Sri Lanka turned down Israel's offer to help. I guess that politics is politics
That could be part of the problem.
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Old 12-28-2004, 02:29 PM   #24
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Originally Posted by Oakinbier
So who exactly do you think he was speaking of?
Rich nations, by which I'd assume he meant the US, Canada, Western Europe, Japan and Australia primarily. My amusement is at the dolts who are using this to whine more about how anti-US the UN is when this comment was aimed just as much at those European nations the board cretins squeal about so often.

Inmountains, when you're not a poorly-educated homophobe redneck racist you can try to lecture me on right and wrong (I'll still laugh in your face of course, but you can try). As it stands now it's like having a 5 year old swing wildly at me while I hold him off by his forehead- equal parts sad and hilarious. Dance for me monkey- dance!

It's mind-numbing why you guys take on all this stress because of a UN undersecretary's completely inconsequential comments. As you clods drone on ad nauseum about, we control our own taxation. So fucking grow up and stop crying about it already. Or don't and kill yourselves through stress-induced heart attacks. Just as good.
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Old 12-28-2004, 04:03 PM   #25
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Horm, you are in violation of several SV offenses. The tally..


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RETARD! Horm is a RETARD!
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