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Old 11-29-2004, 06:08 PM   #1
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Default Stem cells are nothing but junk science!

Sunday November 28, 1:21 PM

Paralyzed woman walks again after stem cell therapy

A South Korean woman paralyzed for 20 years is walking again after scientists say they repaired her damaged spine using stem cells derived from umbilical cord blood.

Hwang Mi-Soon, 37, had been bedridden since damaging her back in an accident two decades ago.

Last week her eyes glistened with tears as she walked again with the help of a walking frame at a press conference where South Korea researchers went public for the first time with the results of their stem-cell therapy.

They said it was the world's first published case in which a patient with spinal cord injuries had been successfully treated with stem cells from umbilical cord blood.

Though they cautioned that more research was needed and verification from international experts was required, the South Korean researchers said Hwang's case could signal a leap forward in the treatment of spinal cord injuries.

The use of stem cells from cord blood could also point to a way to side-step the ethical dispute over the controversial use of embryos in embryonic stem-cell research.

"We have glimpsed at a silver lining over the horizon," said Song Chang-Hoon, a member of the research team and a professor at Chosun University's medical school in the southwestern city of Kwangju.

"We were all surprised at the fast improvements in the patient."

Under TV lights and flashing cameras, Hwang stood up from her wheelchair and shuffled forward and back a few paces with the help of the frame at the press conference here on Thursday.

"This is already a miracle for me," she said. "I never dreamed of getting to my feet again."

Medical research has shown stem cells can develop into replacement cells for damaged organs or body parts. Unlocking that potential could see cures for diseases that are at present incurable, or even see the body generate new organs to replace damaged or failing ones.

So-called "multipotent" stem cells -- those found in cord blood -- are capable of forming a limited number of specialised cell types, unlike the more versatile "undifferentiated" cells that are derived from embroyos.

However, these stem cells isolated from umbilical cord blood have emerged as an ethical and safe alternative to embryonic stem cells.

Clinical trials with embryonic stem cells are believed to be years away because of the risks and ethical problems involved in the production of embryos -- regarded as living humans by some people -- for scientific use.

In contrast, there is no ethical dimension when stem cells from umbilical cord blood are obtained, according to researchers.

Additionally, umbilical cord blood stem cells trigger little immune response in the recipient as embryonic stem cells have a tendency to form tumors when injected into animals or human beings.

For the therapy, multipotent stem cells were isolated from umbilical cord blood, which had been frozen immediately after the birth of a baby and cultured for a period of time.

Then these cells were directly injected to the damaged part of the spinal cord.

"Technical difficulties exist in isolating stem cells from frozen umbilical cord blood, finding cells with genes matching those of the recipient and selecting the right place of the body to deliver the cells," said Han Hoon, president of Histostem, a government-backed umbilical cord blood bank in Seoul.

Han teamed up with Song and other experts for the experiment.

They say that more experiments are required to verify the outcome of the landmark therapy.

"It is just one case and we need more experiments, more data," said Oh Il-Hoon, another researcher.

"I believe experts in other countries have been conducting similar experiments and accumulating data before making the results public."
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Looks like those alchemists have started to turn lead into gold, eh!
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:32 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Tuan00Dorf
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/041128/1/3ovex.html

Looks like those alchemists have started to turn lead into gold, eh!

Eh. Big deal. Religion's been doing that for thousands of years.
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:55 PM   #3
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Looks like Tuan doesnt know the difference between embryonic stem cells which are junk science and umbilical cord stem cells which use different cells and doesnt cause abortions to be harvested.
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Old 11-29-2004, 07:15 PM   #4
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Looks like Chuk is implying vast amounts on information of which I said nothing about.

Bravo!
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Old 11-29-2004, 07:18 PM   #5
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Oh wise one! please tell us 'idiots' why you posted this then? Not one person on this board thinks adult stem cell research is wrong or junk science but embryonic stem cell research is bunk as pointed out in your article. maybe next time you should read what you linked instead of feverishly posting what you thought was a 'gotcha' to us 'board cons'?
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Old 11-29-2004, 08:04 PM   #6
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Embryonic stem cells are not harvested from abortions.
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Old 11-29-2004, 08:15 PM   #7
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Embryonic stem cells are not harvested from abortions.
If the end result is death of the embroyo, it is an abortion.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:39 AM   #8
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Chuk, that article most certainly does not prove, or even imply, that embryonic stem cell research is junk.

Personally I'd love to find out that non-embryonic stem cells are just as if not more useful than embryonic ones- simply because it means the important research that needs to get done can happen without braindead anti-choice kooks going apeshit. That being said, I still think there may be limitations that embryonic cells can overcome. I see no issue here- the embryo has been terminated- I find it wasteful to not use the tissue in order to help mankind.

There has never been an abortion conducted specifically in order for stem cells to be harvested- I challenge any of you morons to show that it has. That idea is a convenient bogeyman for the ignorant clods on the right to use in their rhetoric.
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Old 11-30-2004, 10:47 AM   #9
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I am NOT against stem cell research. There are literally thousands of "spontaneous abortions", aka Miscarriages, in this country daily. If the death of that fetus can supply stem cells to assist those who are living, I saw GREAT. It is no different than organ donation from a person who just died.

I am against having an abortion, period!
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I am against having an abortion, period!
Doesn't the period help flush it out?
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:55 PM   #12
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Results matter. It doesnt matter what you think of Stem cells or abortion.

If killing embryos allows people already born to recover from severe disability,
I dont know how to break it to you, its a BUYER's MARKET.

They WILL not only DO IT, but they will do it assembly line.

THAT is reality, anything else is wishfull thinking.

Making laws or having a shill prez wont mean a damn thing.
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I'm not against the concept of stem cell research. For fetuses that have already been aborted, might as well get some use out of them. I'm moreso opposed to the possibility of people harvesting what could become a living breathing human and selling it for profit. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I don't want there to even be an arena where it's possible for a mother to have an abortion for profit.

I'm much happier with using the cells from umbilical cords. After the birth, neither the baby or mother needs them anymore and they end up discarded. Putting those cells to good use would be a really wise decision in my book, and presents fewer moral/ethical drawbacks.
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:56 AM   #14
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embryonic stem cell research is bunk
Oh really. Please show us your detailed research that led to your findings, and that are at odds with a significant proportion of the worldwide scientific community.

Whether or not you agree with the methods necessary for supporting this research, don't be an ignoramus by dismissing something you don't understand as bunk.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:09 AM   #15
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If the end result is death of the embroyo, it is an abortion.
It's the alternative to throwing the shit away. You would honestly rather flush an egg and a few million sperm down a toilet than perform an artificial fertilization for the purpose of harvesting those cells?

Amazing.
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Originally Posted by Brigiid
I'm not against the concept of stem cell research. For fetuses that have already been aborted, might as well get some use out of them. I'm moreso opposed to the possibility of people harvesting what could become a living breathing human and selling it for profit. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't happen in the future. I don't want there to even be an arena where it's possible for a mother to have an abortion for profit.

I'm much happier with using the cells from umbilical cords. After the birth, neither the baby or mother needs them anymore and they end up discarded. Putting those cells to good use would be a really wise decision in my book, and presents fewer moral/ethical drawbacks.
Are you against egg and sperm donors as well?
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:16 AM   #17
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Yes so amazing becuase there would then be motivation to have an abortion.

Woman: oh shit im pregnant
Woman: maybe i should keep it and bring a life to this world who i will love and raise and one day may grow up to be a great person in their own right.
Woman: wait a second! fuck that! i can have it aborted and give it to science to make it into a cure for chris reeves to jump out of his box and then his wheelchair and walk again!
Woman: woowoo where is that abortion clinic!
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for the vast majority, i.e. all but a handful it's a very difficult decision to make, which you're grossly mis-representing.

Any more than a parent would force their child into prostitution to get extra money. There are a sad few cases, but you don't legislate assuming that everyone is going to do that.

Anyway, I read there have been advances to trick the egg into splitting several times without being fertilised (and then stop). They are able to then extract embryonic stem cells from an unfertilised egg. Any objections?
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Chuk, that's fucking absurd. Women (well, 99.999999999999%) are not going to go through the abortion process- including all its psychological baggage- to donate to science.
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Yuk, put like that its a gross fuck wit Nature. Harvesting is harvesting, aborted or not aborted, it's a waste of human life to degrade foetal tissue into a clinical prop too. One doesn't make the other right. Especially just for the 'potential' rejuvenation of a 2nd rate specimen of human life that had its own run and then fluffed it.

Fuck embryonic stem cell research, honestly. I'd sooner have clergy elaborate the ethical committee latitudes and the implementation pros and cons than hand my genes over to a fucking Lab coat Savant with an eye for hereditary and a blindspot for human fallibilties. There's no latitude for completely ethical conduct either. Always going to be a $$ bottom line, and once economic rationalism sounds out a debate you know it is only selectively sane.
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Whose educational system can we blame ^^^ on?
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Originally Posted by Misty
Yuk, put like that its a gross fuck wit Nature. Harvesting is harvesting, aborted or not aborted, it's a waste of human life to degrade foetal tissue into a clinical prop too. One doesn't make the other right. Especially just for the 'potential' rejuvenation of a 2nd rate specimen of human life that had its own run and then fluffed it.

Fuck embryonic stem cell research, honestly. I'd sooner have clergy elaborate the ethical committee latitudes and the implementation pros and cons than hand my genes over to a fucking Lab coat Savant with an eye for hereditary and a blindspot for human fallibilties. There's no latitude for completely ethical conduct either. Always going to be a $$ bottom line, and once economic rationalism sounds out a debate you know it is only selectively sane.
So you're saying that you disagree with a non-fertilised egg being used for medical research/treatment?
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Anyway, I read there have been advances to trick the egg into splitting several times without being fertilised (and then stop). They are able to then extract embryonic stem cells from an unfertilised egg. Any objections?

Sorry, makes too much sense.
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