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Old 07-24-2007, 12:18 PM   #1
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Default Wierd "Raiding" Question

I am aware tha NCM has allowed non guild members to raid with them at times (or whatever their schedule is). I don't even play their hours, so have not bothered to investigate much.

I am also aware that some CE folks periodically have "open" raids for CoA on different Saturdays.

Are these the only instances where people are given the chance to see/raid zones they would be otherwise unsble to do much in?

Or are there other instances where guilds allowed "outsiders" to "tag along" for whatever reason? (short certain classes, short on numbers... whatever)

I am not looking to change guilds, just looking for stuff to help pass those occassional long boring nights.

Feel free to post here, PM me here or send me a tell in game.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:34 PM   #2
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NCM has what they call a "raid application" channel folks from other guilds apply to and then they raid (so it's not really 'tagging' alone; they actually earn/spend points).

And as you mentioned CE's Anguish raids.

I know that Primal Evolution has run some open raids (usually over a 6-8 week duration) once or twice a year, but last the boss told me, I don't anticipate any of these being run until closer to the end of the year right now - though that might change.
- Though we've been running various contests on our website (2 contests active right now) and brainstorming on future ones have included winners tagging along with possibility of more.

There's also the puraid:emarr channel where folks do offer/call various events.

On a different thread one of the open raid leaders from a few years ago looks like he might be making a return to EQ, so there may be more things picking up in this area as well.

Probably not a lot of help but this is what my ear-to-the-ground has heard.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:36 PM   #3
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I know PE does some random PU raids occasionally. Other than that, there are PU raids that happen, but usually by invitation only, a friend of a friend, etc. I dunno if the PU raid channel is still live, it used to be puraid:emarr. Your best bet is to just start chatting with alot of people from different guilds, see who does what.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:56 PM   #4
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If I run PE open raids on a Friday again it wont be until the Summer is over. Combination of the need to TSS faction + long summer time nights makes it unlikely I'll have time to do anythign until Sep/Oct time frame. When I restart I'll start with COA, but I may try some other type of open raids.

For other raid leaders, I highly recommend running open raids as they let you meet more of the server, revisit raid leading 101 and you almost always get please and thanks you's that you can't get from day to raid leadership.


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Old 07-24-2007, 01:54 PM   #5
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We don't allow non-Reviction members/applicants on our normal raids, ever.

Occassionally we will get a wild hair and throw an event where our members can invite their buddies to join for a day, usually on a Saturday.

This is generally on some throwback 'old content.' I cannot see us allowing outsiders into one of our current-target raids, however I could see us doing it for say... Demiplane or maybe Deathknell.......... but..........

The problem is often that a lot of raid zones have relatively steep flagging/faction requirements, that most casual players do not have done. In some cases, people can be 'gimped' in with the 85% rule, in others they cannot.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:41 PM   #6
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You bring up a good point Aremelus. I am thinking more along the lines of Anguish or DSK. With the exception (kinda) of the MPG trials, the sigs and the missions for DSK access is groupable.

I believe the skylance missions are groupable, but hard as hell from what I hear.

IMO.. it never hurts to ask the question.
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Old 07-24-2007, 05:54 PM   #7
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Thanks Crystilla you pretty much summed it up. If you play our time, Happy with your current guild, your guild approves we would love to have you stop by Necedemalice.com read over the rules and requirements and if we sound like a fit for you fill out a raid channel app (we do accept guild apps too!). We currently on CoA/Vish nights run high 60s as far as attendance so we do have a list running because of the 54 limit. On other nights we range mid 40s-50s. We have the Vule eyes for Demi and we are about to start on the Queen event.



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Old 07-24-2007, 06:50 PM   #8
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Well, if by DSK you mean Demiplane, then in order to zone in you need to have been in a "vule eye" task, which requires someone who has completed the proper quest arc and is at that stage to use their vule eye (which drops from Master Vule the Silent Tear) on said group, thereby flagging themselves and 5 others for Dreadspire Keep.

Master Vule is himself a reasonably difficult raid target, and I think it's probably asking a lot for a guild to "waste" (putting it in quotes because it sounds harsher than I mean it to) slots in a flag group on someone who isn't a member or an app just to flag them for a tagalong raid. For guilds that are actively raiding demiplane, that's the real bottleneck for getting people flagged, those damn eyes and the stupid accompanying quest arc.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:38 PM   #9
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As a guild that still does that content for a bit longer at least (/hugs Aram), the guilds raiding there do work together currently to see if each other needs turn ins (Triune, PE, Resilience specifically).

So there's no guarantee, but if you talk to an officer in those guilds, if there is an open slot in a Vule eye turn in, they may grant that spot to you.

However, Dreadspire by itself (accessible by 4 missions) does have a number of quest/missions in the zone that one can do for something different. The end zone of Demiplane looks exactly like Dreadspire so you get to see the various wings and stuff.

Here are some of the links to that series of quests that do require groups (ignore the reference it makes that everyone has to do this to be Demiplane flagged):

There are some augments that can be farmed/camped for (mind you some of these might be considered junk; I just listed them here for the person to make up their own mind):

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45391 - random trash
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45276 - Throwing pouch (off random trash)
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=47815
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=46854
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=46824
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45076
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=56482 - Damage aug
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45588 - Damage aug
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45316
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45253 - Great tank aug
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45531
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=48624 - Great tank aug
http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=45113
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Old 07-25-2007, 12:43 AM   #10
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If I ever get some more free time I would love to start running some open anguish raids late night (i.e. 9 or 10pm PST), but at least for the near future that isn't possible, but hopefully that will/can change at some point.
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Old 07-25-2007, 07:00 AM   #11
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Lol.. figures I wake up late and can't surf first thing in the morning. I'll have to check the Allah pages later. Thanks Crys.

I appologise if my level of "lingo" is off par from those of you who are at / near "end-of'expansion" zones. However, I am aware that there are multiple levels of imbedded access, similar to PoP.

The DSK I meant, is the access gained from the 4 missions (Lost Gnomes, Scavenger Hunt, 69.1 and Something [I always forget this one]).

NCM starts raiding at about midnight my time (EST) so it is unrealistic, for me, to even consider being able to raid with them. Which is also ( I believe ) around the same times Bludsky was thinking about.

I really do appreciate the responses, thank you.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:07 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Treydontalis View Post
Thanks Crystilla you pretty much summed it up. If you play our time, Happy with your current guild, your guild approves we would love to have you stop by Necedemalice.com read over the rules and requirements and if we sound like a fit for you fill out a raid channel app (we do accept guild apps too!). We currently on CoA/Vish nights run high 60s as far as attendance so we do have a list running because of the 54 limit. On other nights we range mid 40s-50s. We have the Vule eyes for Demi and we are about to start on the Queen event.



P.S. We need more enchanters!

LOL Trey, so do we . Seriously though, Ne Cede has been a big help for some of our guys who wanted to change mains. They can join NCM raids and get a piece of gear here and more importantly, see what's it's like to raid with that class and get some experience with it.
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Old 07-26-2007, 11:35 AM   #13
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Aye Cae must be a trend -- we do as well .

But to point of the post, instead of

(a) the current guild either denyinig the main switch, causing someone to switch guilds (let's face it - burnout does happen and alts can bring joy again)

(b) the current guild accepting the main switch but
- 1 - now has an undergeared player who doesn't know how to play that character at that level of play; knowing the events is half the battle, knowing your role in the event is a quarter of the battle; having the gear to survive is the remaining quarter.
- 2 - the guild feels as though the person is using them to gear/flag up alts (whether its true or not) so there is resentment within the guild toward this person or toward leadership for allowing the burden

The person can stay with their current guild and do what they feel they need to with their alt. So it is a very good win/win situation - as long as you (as a guild) trust the member to NOT disrespect the guild by giving away guild/strat information and instead let NCM have the joy of figuring stuff out as a team.

I only know of one guild (though there may be more) that doesn't allow and will kick folks who want to put their alts in NCM or raid with them in NCM, so seems most of us do in fact have folks who raid with NCM.
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Old 07-27-2007, 12:13 AM   #14
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There is one thing I want to point out here...

Originally Posted by Crystilla
as long as you (as a guild) trust the member to NOT disrespect the guild by giving away guild/strat information and instead let NCM have the joy of figuring stuff out as a team.
NCM Has had great joy figuring out things for ourselves and has little if any outside input. And the secret sauce if you will is no secret at all and can be googled in 2.2 seconds.

I you parallel raiding EQ content with playing at a Casino any statistician will tell you that the only way to break the house is if every person in the Casino worked together.

The name of the game is no longer competing for spawns and members but rather maximising on driving through content around the clock and keeping the game fun for our fellow server mates. At least, we dont consider other guilds as competition and would not be as far as we are without their gracious collaboration. Crystilla for one has been a great champion for us. PE is lucky to have her.

I am NCM's missing Enchanter. Recently we had another baby and I have no time to raid ... for now. Please if you are a guild that has an enchanter in your pocket, let him come during your off hours and pass out the good stuff.

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Old 07-27-2007, 05:25 AM   #15
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/hugs Mem - I need baby pics! And there's always folks looking to raid at your times, so I'm glad to help out a great guild on those occasional chances I find a potential guildie.

Didn't mean to offend so I apologize if it was taken that way -- I was talking from the other guild's angle, not yours, since the "if your guild allows it" part had been mentioned. If someone knew came in and tried to hand you strats, I'm betting you do what we do and what other guilds would - tell the person to sit on them, and get to know you, your guild makeup and how you approach things.

What I meant more are those overexuberent types who can't help themselves 'sharing' or guilds who don't trust their own members. There still are folks trying to get into guilds to leech strats to go back to their failing guild; and there are those who post strats on Ala for events (without guild permission) even as app's (we had one here though the player jumped to a top tier guild earlier this year).
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:14 AM   #16
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Personally, I've never understood the mindset of "our strat is all ours and you can't have it"! There's so much variance between the make-up and strengths of different guilds, as well as multiple ways to play certain classes, that with very rare exceptions, there won't be one way to win anything. That said, I don't respect those secretive types any less.

I know our guild's raids are early east coast in timeframe, but we do have some west coast folks (as well as potential main changes) who might be interested in contributing (and maybe snagging some flags/backflags/whatever). I'll make a point to draw their attention to this thread and NCM today.

Enchanters have become even more rare (Thank SOE for TSS and its enchie-unfriendly content being the last straw for many veteran enchies ). Like everyone else, Whit`s End would welcome more to our ranks, but we have a solid core group right now. I'll encourage any of them to look you all up if they're up late and interested.

I wish I could jump in with yas on occasion, but I'm usually crashing right about the time you all kick into gear.

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